5v5 is garbage
They couldn’t balance the heroes for 6v6. How many years do you think it should take to rebalance heroes for 5v5 ?
Yeah, I think that as a criticism also applies to 5v5 as well. You can realistically play just about any sort of team comp or character below the very high ends of ranked like GM. It’s of course easier to play with a comp that works well together, but it’s more important that players play who they are good and comfortable at first unless we’re talking about the highest ratings where optimization really does matter more.
That particular problem of playing what you “should” play vs what you’re actually good at isn’t unique to 6v6 tank synergy. As for your OP, I do agree that some arguments that are made feel very disingenuous. Such as not remembering what OW1 was like or not really wanting it back. I know myself well enough and I’m allowed to like 6v6 without it being me incapable of understanding its flaws lol
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They can’t. They’re making extreme changes that would otherwise be unthinkable in OW1 in an effort to fix this game. Global hp changes, hit box changes, projectile changes, passives etc.
There is a moment in time during oversteer where you’re pointed in the right direction… until you’re not and going faster and faster away from the plot.
Someone needs to tell the Custa’s and Jakes of the world that lol
Because clearly they’ve let their ‘incentives’ from being in Blizzard’s good graces color their coverage of what goes on.
Infinity because never will the game be balanced. It’s impossible. 1v1. 3v3 5v5 6v6 10v10. The game can’t and will not be balanced. The sooner you give up on this idea that Overwatch can be balanced the more you accept that the future is just rotating heroes constantly.
I’m not quite sure if it’s a more recent thing from the past few decades or not due to the internet and how discourse tends to function online, but I think people often have issues allowing for there to be room for someone to take an opposite position and neither of you being really “wrong.” Nuance is important, and it’s healthy to have differences in opinion without vilifying others with a different position or making them out to be stupid in some way.
It’s actually kind of frustrating with a lot of online conversations these days. And I’m not saying I’m always innocent either, but I try to hear others out.
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The issue with this is each side has already heard each other out. Realistically the devs just need to put their big boy pants on and just say yes or no to 6v6. Instead of allowing the community to continue bickering for 2 years straight. But they won’t even if it’s negative attention is attention.
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I always try to. But too often someone always devolves into insults: Like that one fool on this thread who wanted to start in with the ‘oh sweetheart’ talk. Like one of those dudebros who says ‘get back in the kitchen’ or something.
Got no time for it.
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That guy was me 
. I’m muted so they haven’t read any of my middle ground statements.
What’s really funny is that everything that 5v5 lovers say was “fixed” in OW2 was only fixed when tanks were redesigned into brawlers.
Removing one tank did not improve a single thing. It only introduced more (and worse) problems than we had in OW1.
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Yeah I’m still waiting to read what 5v5 fixed. I don’t want to hear someone bring up queue times in season 1 in a brand new “game” when people were still being lead to believe PVE was in the works.
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Yeah, the conversation has absolutely been had and I don’t expect most opinions to shift on this particular topic by this point. I assume that 6v6 will never come back, but you’re right that I’d rather blizz simply say so. Then again, I also never expected a lot of things from Blizz involving their games only to later be proven wrong so who knows lol.
I think it’s fine to keep having the conversation for people who are interested in it though. I just wish people were more respectful in doing so, generally speaking (so beyond just 6v6 vs 5v5 topic).
I’ve hit the point where if someone starts insulting me, I might continue without insulting to try and nail my point for other potential readers, but I’m definitely not going to waste too much of my time on someone who has no interest in a genuine conversation with mutual respect. I do not fault you at all for that.
Honestly, I’m not trying to take sides between the two of you here. I’d have to go back and reread the thread for what seems like zero gain on my part LOL. Whatever happened between ya’ll, hope it’s resolved amicably at this point.
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Oh don’t take a side that’s ridiculous and not your business. it’s not even my business technically people have the right to mute whoever they want. I did say one of the most triggering words for a woman to hear so it’s my own fault if I’m muted by them.
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I mean I can sum it up. He called me ‘sweetheart’ in a condescending way, I warned him not to one time like I do with everyone, and unlike Apple, he doubled down in a backhanded way so I muted him.
Long and short of it.
This isn’t me asking you to ‘pick a side’ by the by. I’m just saving you some reading lol
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Ya let’s look at that one. When the 5v5 crowd says “queue times for dps are low now”, no that’s not because there’s one less tank, it’s because dps play support too and dps with them.
The irony is when dps players complain about dps supports making them feel irrelevant, meanwhile it’s dps players queued as supports they are playing against!!
True. I play more support than I do DPS now where support was my least played in ow1. A lot more.
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As I said you always pull double shield which was completely fixable it wasn’t a format issue, it was a balance issue and you can go back and look at the October 2020 patch where brig and bap were both nerfed significantly and double shield was mostly gone for like one month just until they buffed bap and brig again.
It’s not gaslighting people did enjoy 6v6 most people who play and played Overwatch enjoyed 6v6 that’s why the game was goty, why it was said that it was revolutionary and unique because people liked the game, no one was asking for 5v5, no one ever said in ow1 “6v6 is bad” and even now if you look around in the internet see polls on reddit and in here, look at the like/dislike rates of videos defending 5v5 and videos defending 6v6 or just ask in game most people will say 6v6 and that’s not an information Astrid pulled out of no where it’s what you see happening around in the overwatch community.
There was more to double shield than just Brig and Bap. Tanks were just as much of a problem.
The game was not GOTY because it was 6v6.
You have absolutely no stats to confirm 6v6 was the favored gamemode.
And yet the playerbase was dying so Blizzard reacted.
And there are equally polls where 5v5 has proved to be the most popular, like the whole Jake vs Iron debate. You have no proof of anything.
Ok this might be news for you, but, ow2 is a failure… a horrible launch took them seasons to readd old features in one week ow1 made way more money than ow2 in all of its life span and the reason why they went 5v5 is not because they thought it was better no it’s because they needed to justify the 2 in Overwatch 2.
People who enjoy 6v6 are out there playing too I’m in queue right now for example, why are you stating something that’s not true? weren’t you the one complaining about us saying that 6v6 was the most popular format? there is as much 5v5ers than 6v6ers in both the forums and in reddit.
Yes there was more than supports for example orisa’s fortify to it but the major factor that allowed that was AOE healing from brig and bap and immos.
No it was GOTY because of how it played and part of that was thanks to 6v6 so much so that the devs even said that they tried things like 5v5 and 4v4 and there was something missing and to much pressure on everyone and they also tested 7v7 and there was always someone who was doing air and they came to the conclusion that for the type of game they wanted 6v6 was the best format.
Oh yeah the game that had no content for 3 years that had the WORST balance team in the history of gaming was dying… It wasn’t because of 6v6 it was because the devs left the game to rot and those devs who screwed ow1, they should be flipping burgers rn.
Yeah the Jake vs iron debate… You know that both iron and Jake made polls and 6v6 one in irons poll and 5v5 won at Jake’s poll you know why? Because it’s influenced by the streamers and the fact that irons poll won by a lot even tho Jake has way more viewers that probably a good amount of them went vote on irons poll shows just how much 6v6 can stand against the NDA streamers and their 5v5 sheeple.