How can you say that Torbjörn, Bastion and Sym are bad when

ArmsRacer-2880 · June 2, 2021, 4:39pm

Literally broken, blizzard please nerf thanks!

/s

GreyFalcon-11737 · June 2, 2021, 5:00pm

Dunno why anybody ever uses winrates in their arguments.

Ranulf-1999 · June 2, 2021, 5:08pm

look well at the screenshot

Kurome-11376 · June 2, 2021, 5:20pm

XD

I can’t wait for people to come in here ready to go to war over your stats

(Edit: Spoilers, read the console)

GreyFalcon-11737 · June 2, 2021, 5:53pm

I did, I don’t know why anybody uses winrates for any hero.

Ranulf-1999 · June 2, 2021, 5:57pm

… sigh

Darrington-11693 · June 2, 2021, 6:02pm

I came here to say this.

Pick rates are also a bad stat to reference.

TreeckoRalts-1292 · June 2, 2021, 6:04pm

Ah yes, Nintendo Switch, a community so small that everyone diamond+ has heard of everyone diamond+.

I could very easily guess the two players those Bastion and Torbjorn rates are related to. Symmetra, though, has me lost. I’ve been playing a lot of her recently but I don’t think Bronze on Switch even exists.

switch is like an undeveloped meta to cheese characters like bastion/torb are more effective than they should be though

Darrington-11693 · June 2, 2021, 6:05pm

I really wish I had the audacity to spend about $350 just to meme my way into GM.

It’s not in the budget for this month.

GreyFalcon-11737 · June 2, 2021, 6:06pm

No seriously, winrate math is so heavily skewed, it’s practically unusable.

Hey everyone, I think it is time for a "how to use overbuff" thread

Win rate - How likely a hero will win in a game, subject to a large number of caveats.

Win rate is influenced by SR, because the games player base is set out on a bell curve, low ranked players TEND to play against people higher ranked than they are on average, and the reverse is true. So, you need to compare it to the base line of that rank.

Even within a rank, that same bias comes into play to a less of a degree.

Hero which are swapped to, to counter, have a lower win rate, JUST because they tend to be picked when you are already losing.

Win rate is weighted by how long the hero was played in the match. This means heroes which are played on defensive more than attack, tend to have over inflated win rates. After all, if they do well, defense lasts a long time, and has a higher weighting. If an attacking hero does well, the attack phase is MUCH shorter, so they have the reverse effect, artificially pushing their win rate down.

Heroes which have a lot of mirroring tend to push the hero towards the middle of the rank. Since for every win there is a loss. (but middle of the RANK, rather than towards 50%, because the win is still more likely to go to the higher SR person) (see Moth Mercy for a VERY good demo of this)

Heroes which are one tricked a lot, ALSO get pushed towards rank average, the players are typically stable in their rank, so, run the rank average. This means the win rate is MOSTLY made up of people who don’t run the hero all the time. They will be winning on one hero, and losing on another.

The last point is a VERY interesting one, since, it means that their win rate is heavy biased towards “how easy is a hero to get value from for people who play more than one hero” - they are represented in the win rate WAY WAY more than the one tricks. The more someone one tricks, the less they are represented in the win rate.

Ranulf-1999 · June 2, 2021, 6:07pm

I know, the point is that this isnt a serious post at all and its using silly winrates from the switch to make a haha funneh meem.

Darrington-11693 · June 2, 2021, 6:07pm

It’s entirely possible to have an 86% win rate on a character because you took point A and most of point B.

GreyFalcon is a serious business guy.

TreeckoRalts-1292 · June 2, 2021, 6:08pm

It’s most definitely not in your time budget, either. The 15 GM players on Switch are almost never in GM and have queue times upwards of half an hour or more.

Pretty much everyone I know that’s 3500+ on Switch has an alt because the queue times are that bad.

Darrington-11693 · June 2, 2021, 6:09pm

So what you’re saying is that I should queue during the bus ride home from work so I can have a game ready by the time I step out of the shower?

TreeckoRalts-1292 · June 2, 2021, 6:10pm

That’s a good summary. Good news is that the Switch is portable so you can handle that!

~~I play the game on this console because I die without gyro controls and I don’t have a good PC~~

Jomar-11379 · June 2, 2021, 6:12pm

it is a joke post he’s looking at nintendo switch win-rate and pickrates

Jaakk0-2756 · June 2, 2021, 6:24pm

Here’s ö for ya, feel free to use it!

Darrington-11693 · June 2, 2021, 6:28pm

Gyro controls what?!

Knighthood-21706 · June 2, 2021, 6:38pm

Looks more like Competitive mode is dead on switch