Hey MICROSOFT, MMR/Forced 50% is Wrong for Online Games

This thread is a plea for truth, democracy, and regulation in online gaming. It’s about a rising schism of cognitive dissonance, caused by a new form of consumer fraud that emerged in the last decade without anybody really noticing. It’s about the rights of online gamers, and users of all social media, not just as consumers but as democratic citizens. And if you follow it to the end, you will find yourself on the wrong side of a shield wall.

Video adaptation
I invite you to meditate on this subject with me further, to the backdrop of gameplay from Overwatch, one of the games in question. With musical score by The Toxic Avenger and Scattle, you see me playing as my avatar, Cuthbert, and my favorite character: a shield-bearer called Reinhardt. My name is Lars Bohr.

Objective
I seek to outlaw the use of Bayesian skill scoring frameworks and algorithmic handicapping in online games. Such applications turn skilled, experienced, competitive Overwatch players against each other without their knowledge or consent, based on hidden performance data and even protected personal data such as gender, income level, age, and location. Game holding corporations have found a powerful and profoundly unethical application for mathematical statistics, violating their customers’ rights to fair competition and informed consent of use.

Plea for democracy
Five years of debate and polling have proven with strong majority votes that players want transparent terms of use for Competitive Play, and non-discriminatory treatment from the matchmaking system. In three polls on the Battlenet forum, we rejected the handicapping of ranked matches with votes of: 295 to 56, 320 to 42, and 403 to 50. On this forum we have voted to ban handicapping of ranked matches at 388 to 64, 528 to 94, and 443 to 86.

Plea for regulation
I argue to remove Match Making Rating (MMR) from Competitive Play, based on statements from Blizzard/Activision reps and filings from Activision Publishing Incorporated with the United States Patent Office. The 2015 patent filing for Activision’s “Matchmaker” describes it as an anti-competitive, algorithmic operation to discriminate between players in every match. Blizzard’s implementation of the Matchmaker turns skilled, experienced, competitive Overwatch players against each other without their knowledge or consent.

Plea for truth
Blizzard/Activision say the Matchmaker ‘ensures the quality’ of gameplay. It designates teams to make every match ‘engaging,’ near 50% chance for either team to win. The Matchmaker is designed to constantly make ‘balanced’ matches to provide players with the most ‘exciting’ user experience. But because it ensures those 50% odds by arranging teams based on hidden skill metrics (MMR), the Matchmaker:

  • Covertly handicaps Competitive matches,
  • Favors new players over experienced players,
  • Fails to prove the skill difference between players, and
  • Lowers the quality of gameplay across all competitive tiers.

How is such a travesty possible? It is possible because of Blizzard/Activision’s deception, by omitting information about handicapping from their product. It is possible amidst the global dearth of regulation for tech companies like Blizzard/Activision, and a prevailing global culture of moral relativism. It is possible because the public withholds judgement on private corporations and the operation of their game holdings.

But most of all, it is possible because of players’ reticence to demand transparency in our terms of use, and fair rules in what is being sold to us as an “E-Sport.” Most players do not realize their matches are being handicapped. And those of us who know of handicapping fail to see its implications. Overwatch’s own designers seem to have missed the point.

Overview
Overwatch’s designers say they “balance” matches with MMR. The system sorts the twelve players from each match into teams, based on the merit each player has shown in matches past. Matchmaking uses merit-tracking algorithms (MMR) to keep matches from being ‘uneven.’ Principal Overwatch Designer Scott Mercer explains:

"When the matchmaker creates a match, it determines the % chance for each team to win based on the match it made. The VAST majority of matches are usually near to 50% (especially if you’re a player closer to median skill rating and you’re not in a group). When we do put you in a match that we know isn’t a 50/50, we adjust your SR gain or loss based on your calculated change of winning.

"We model the synergistic effects of players being together in a group. Based upon the data we see in groups, we predict the win % for each team. We try to match similar sized groups together.

"The amount of MMR (and SR) you go up or down isn’t simply a matter of whether you won or lost, and what was your predicted chance of winning. There’s a couple of other things at work. One is the matchmaker’s confidence in what your MMR should be. Play a lot of games, it gets more certain. Don’t play Overwatch for a while, it gets less certain. You go on a large win or loss streak, it gets less certain. The more certain the matchmaker is about your MMR, the less your MMR will change in either direction based on a win or loss.

"We also do evaluate how well you played the heroes you used in a match. The comparison is based on historical data of people playing a specific hero (not medals, not pure damage done), and we’ve done a lot of work to this system based on the community’s feedback.

“While it’s a minor factor compared to wins/losses (The best way to increase your SR is still to play together and win as a team!), doing so does help us determine your skill more accurately and faster.”

However
In Quick Play, we do not count wins and losses as we do in Competitive Play. We do not stake our rank and reputation on a number, like we do with SR. And MMR skews everyone’s SR. Because if you are a relatively skilled player for your SR, handicapping/MMR makes your teams worse than they would be on average, by random chance. Inversely, if you are relatively unskilled for your rank, handicapping/MMR makes your teams better.

Semantics – “Balance” vs. Handicap
This discussion has a fulcrum, a single word it turns around. A word that Blizzard has chosen incorrectly, misappropriated from the design parlances of casual, non-competitive games. The word is “balance,” which is actually handicapping in the context of a competitive game.

Dictionary .com defines a handicapped contest as one in which “certain disadvantages or advantages are placed upon competitors to equalize their chances of winning.” For example in old Quebec (French Canada), parishioners had a tradition of racing home from church in horse-drawn sleighs or wagons, which they would handicap by placing different numbers and sizes (weights) of passengers in either vehicle.

That’s an example of a friendly competition where handicapping is appropriate, because the important thing isn’t who wins the race; it’s the closeness of the race and the fun to be had along the way. The race itself is merely a pretense for a good time. Any scoring that took place between drivers would be in jest. That is what some of us expect from a game mode like Quick Play.

But players expect Competitive Play to be different. We have a rank and “Skill Rating” (SR) that ticks up or down when we win or lose. That number is both our reputation and our right to compete with other players of our caliber. Handicapping makes light of that number and, in turn, it makes light of Competitive Overwatch players.

When you play Competitive Overwatch you may be a horse pulling your team along, or you may be a passenger just along for the ride. And the handicapping system might designate you as such correctly or incorrectly. But those designations happen to determine the nature of every match you play.

This is where the difference between individual and team competition comes in; players participate in matches as teams, but as individual in the ranking system system.

The big lie
Handicapping teams is not the same as treating individuals fairly in the ranking system. Blizzard wrongly conflates those ideas, distorting players’ very notion of what fair competition is, and what they are doing in Competitive Play. Blizzard says that handicapped matches are fair for competitive players, and that is patently false.

Related question for Activision
Overwatch players from this thread want to know exactly how a patent, belonging to Activision Publishing Incorporated, is being used in Overwatch and its Competitive Play game mode. The patent was filed on May 14th of 2015, titled: “Matchmaking System and Method For Multiplayer Video Games.” I cannot provide a page link on this forum, but anyone can find it on the United States’ Patent Office website.

Background
I refrained from referencing this patent for a long time, to avoid making wrong or unnecessary assumptions about the implementation of Activision’s Matchmaking in Blizzard Entertainment products. From the first year of Competitive Play I argued on principle and reason that the algorithmic handicapping we know about, from the disclosures of Blizzard representatives, is wrong for ranked competitive play.

In a perfect world, a good argument and persistence might effect change. But this is not a perfect world. After half a decade of stony silence from Activision/Blizzard reps, I admit my original thread was stymied. The following content is a recent edition.

Necessary assumption
To continue discussion of gamers’ rights in ranked competitive play, we must assume that Blizzard/Activision have implemented a version of their 2015 Matchmaking patent in Competitive Overwatch, as they have done in the Treyarch/Activision Call of Duty franchise. And we must examine the patent more closely.

Examination
The abstract of the patent (number: US 10,322,351 B2) reads as follows:

“A matchmaking system and method is provided that facilitates optimization of player matches for multiplayer video games. The system may provide a generalized framework for matchmaking using historical player data and analytics. The framework may facilitate automatic determinations of an optimal mix of players and styles to produce the most satisfying user experiences. The system may dynamically update analytical processes based on statistical or otherwise observed data related to gameplay at any given time. In this manner, the system may continually tune the matchmaking process based on observations of player behavior, gameplay quality, and or other information.”

Nowhere in its description does the patent suggest this system could be applied to a ranked/ladder style game. I’m sure that consideration would be lost on the examining lawyers, unless there are gamers working at the United States Patent Office. And I know that the USPO does not determine or enforce the law. But I know that the Federal Trade Commission is supposed to enforce consumer protections against false claims in advertising, such as calling an algorithmically handicapped game mode ‘ranked Competitive Play.’

The FTC website states that:

“The FTC Act prohibits unfair or deceptive advertising in any medium. That is, advertising must tell the truth and not mislead consumers. A claim can be misleading if relevant information is left out or if the claim implies something that’s not true.”

With vague wording and deception by omission, Activision is tricking players to accept an absurd and dystopian paradigm for online gaming: algorithmically handicapped ranked matches. To understand why the ranked game mode of Overwatch is not truly competitive, and why the branding of ‘ranked Competitive Play’ is false, we must examine anti-competitive aspects of design in Activision’s patented matchmaking system.

According to Activision’s patent description, the “scoring engine” (analogous to SR/MMR) allows the Matchmaking system to operate based on variables that:

“May include, without limitation . . . a relative skill level, a presence of preferred players (e.g., clan mates or friends), a team composition (e.g., play style, avatar specialization), a time that a given player has been waiting to be matched (e.g., in a game lobby), a player preference, and/or other information used to assess a potential match).”

“Relative skill level” is a crucial aspect of the problem with this design. It implies that the matchmaker is discriminating between players within the same ranks of the ladder, which defies player’s expectation of impartial treatment in ranked competition. The patent goes on that:

“In one implementation, the analytics and feedback engine may analyze game data (e.g., whether a given game level or match favors play styles)., historical player data (e.g., types/styles of player, strengths/weaknesses of players, etc.), and/or other information to assess a quality of player experiences.

“The analytics and feedback engine may analyze game data to determine satisfying types of game play that should be provided through the matchmaking process. For example, the analytics and feedback engine may determine whether given combinations of role types (e.g., sniper, run-and-gunners, etc.) lead to satisfying gameplay. Such analysis may be performed for specific portions of a game (e.g., a game level) and/or generally for a game.

To illustrate Activision’s business interest, the description continues:

“In some implementations of the invention, analytics and feedback engines may determine the quality score based on one or more business factors that describe a business value derived from a given gameplay session. For example, and without limitation, a business factor may include a business concern such as an amount of revenue derived from a given gameplay session (e.g., number for amount of in-game purchases, number of impressions of an advertisement or other rad-based revenue stream, etc.), a level of customer engagement, and/or other information that can be used to assess level of value derived from a given gameplay session.

“For example, player information may include, without limitation, a style of gameplay (e.g., aggressive), a role preference (e.g., an explicit by the player of such preference), a role actually played, a duration of gameplay sessions, a number of gameplay sessions played in a given login session, in-tame items used or purchased by the player, membership in a clan or team, preference to play with clan mates or friends, demographic information of the player (e.g., geographic location, gender, income level, etc.), win/loss records, scores, and/or other information that may be used to determine whether a player will enjoy a given gameplay session, a match and/or a game.”

Reasonable expectation of fairness and transparency

I assert that the implementation of Activision Publishing Inc.’s patented matchmaking invention in Overwatch’s “Competitive Play” violates reasonable expectations of fair and transparent competition, by algorithmically handicapping players’ ranked matches. I further assert that Activision/Blizzard’s branding of a handicapped game mode as ‘ranked Competitive Play’ is false advertising, enforceable under U.S. Code, “Section 54. False advertisements; penalties.”

Semantics
As often happens in legal issues, our dispute involves semantics. Nowhere does Activision say the word ‘handicapping,’ in the description of their patented Matchmaker. But that is skirting a historically recognized term of game culture and gaming industry. It doesn’t take an expert to infer that many aspects of the Matchmaker (described above) constitute handicapping.

By withholding critical information about Overwatch’s design, Activision has created a comprehension vacuum in which nobody but their own staff can say what is going on with Competitive Play and its underpinning systems of ranking and handicapping. The patent refers glibly to ‘gameplay quality’ and measures of ‘satisfaction.’

Fairness versus ‘quality’
There can be no doubt that the invention of Matchmaking sacrifices fair and transparent competition. The sacrifice is in order to make Overwatch more addictive as a product, at the expense of its best players, by stymying their careers and converting their efforts into spectacle. In one passage of depraved usury from the patent description, Activision even describes how they would measure your biometrics for the purpose of making your experience more difficult and addictive:

“Examples of quality factors include, without limitation, a player quitting a match or gameplay session while other players are still playing (indicating dissatisfaction), a duration of a game session (e.g., a longer duration may indicate greater satisfaction), a gameplay performance factor (e.g., a kill-to-death ratio in a shooter game, a lap time in a racing game, etc., where greater performance may indicate greater satisfaction), a player engagement factor (e.g., a speed of player input, a level of focus as determined from camera peripherals, etc., where greater engagement may indicate greater satisfaction), a competition level of a game (e.g., whether lopsided or not, where evenly matched games may indicate greater satisfaction), a biometric factor (e.g., facial expressions, pulse, body language, sweat, etc.), explicit feedback from a player (e.g., responses to a survey), and/or other observable metrics related to gameplay.”

Call of Duty
There has been similar discussion among players in Call of Duty, another Activision game holding that employs a very similar-sounding Matchmaking. Dextero has published an article on this controversy, with links to the patents they see as related, including the one that I have identified as relevant to Overwatch.

Democracy
In 4 years and 5 polls on Blizzard/Activision forums, players have consistently voted that handicapping (MMR) is wrong for Competitive Play. The silence of game holding companies like Activision/Blizzard is not an answer to our concern. If they will not participate in the discussion, consumers and citizens must proceed without them.

Gamer’s rights
I believe our rights are concerned when matchmaking operates based on discrimination of our skill and play styles relative to our rank, and certainly when “demographic information of the player (e.g., geographic location, gender, income level, etc.), win/loss records, scores, and/or other information … may be used to determine whether a player will enjoy a given gameplay session, a match and/or a game.”

“Forced 50% win rate”
When players talk about this, they are trying to talk about handicapping. An argument against handicapping has already taken place in the Overwatch community, based on vague terms and phrases that do not address the problem. Without clear terms to inform the discussion, players have turned away from it like a losing battle.

But ‘handicapping’ is a real gaming term that many players understand. It is a word with history, meaning, and a proper definition. I bring you the word ‘handicapping’ as a banner to rally under. I urge you players: use this word to understand what MMR truly is, to frame your own discussions, and petition Blizzard for Competitive Play that is free of handicapping.

Case in point
In every match, MMR tells matchmaking which players are relatively strong and which players are relatively weak. The MMR/handicapping system does not put all of the strongest or weakest players on either team (6 v 6) because it predicts that as a one-sided match.

Instead, matchmaking ensures that both teams have a balanced number of strong players and weak players. If one or two players from either team are real standouts (for good or ill), the ratio of strong and weak players might be closer to 2:4 or even 1:5, on either team. MMR is free to place the next-best 6 players in the match to oppose the best individual player, and it often does.

The degree of difference in skill between players is different in every match. But MMR picks up on every discernible difference between players. According to those differences in player skill, matchmaking arranges the teams and effectively handicaps matches, with no regard for individual players’ SR, outside of the 1,000 unit range.

So what’s the problem?
These kinds of matches are unproductive by design; they consistently prove as little as possible about the relative skill of the players participating. When matchmaking uses MMR to mix strong players with weak players, it guarantees in every match that some strong players will move down in rank, and some weak players will move up.

Hypothetically speaking, the most productive match is one where all 6 of the strongest players are on one team and all 6 of the weakest players are on the other. Because in the win/lose result, the strongest players all gain rank and the weakest players all lose rank. Even an impartial matchmaking system would not produce this type of match all of the time. But MMR/handicapping turns it into a unicorn.

MMR circumvents the natural selection process that is supposed to be taking place in Competitive Play. It makes the ranking system inefficient, stagnant, and keeps the ranking system from sorting players according to their merit.

Evidence of handicapping
Here are three simple things you can observe for yourself, which show how matchmaking and MMR handicap your matches:

Group and queue for matches with other players who you know are good at Overwatch. You will see that your wait times for matches scale up in direct proportion to how good you are, and how many of you are in the group. While there are other groups available to play at your collective SR level, matchmaking takes time to seek a group with an equal MMR profile.

Win matches as a group, and you will see your wait times increase from match to match. Matchmaking delays your games in order to handicap them, based on your group’s record. Again, there are other groups available to play at your collective SR level, but matchmaking takes time to seek a group with an equal MMR profile.

Note the spread of player experience (portrait color, stars) across teams, when you join matches in small groups or solo queue. You will see the teams in each game have roughly the same number of experienced and inexperienced players. The matchmaking system arranges teams this way to handicap matches.

It’s relative
Whether or not you sense the skewing of your matches depends on how good you are, as a team player, and where you find your SR rank to be. But if you are a relatively skilled player for your SR, then handicapping/MMR is designed to make every match difficult for you, specifically. It sounds like a persecution fantasy, but it’s patently real.

Fighting your own shadow
Every player has to ‘fight at their weight’ under MMR, even if that is the combined weight of the next five most-skilled players in the match. Handicapping/MMR ensures that every standout player finds a doppelganger or a set of players on the enemy team who are able to counteract them.

Suppose your SR is low for your skill level, and you are the best one of twelve players in a match. In that case, handicapping/MMR singles you out by placing all of the next-best players in the match on the enemy team. Hence you must counteract multiple opponents, like a baited bear.

That becomes a self-perpetuating cycle. The harder you try — the more you kill, heal, and play the objective — the more skilled opponents you will be faced with in your next match…the more skilled teammates you will be separated from. The challenge of the game is literally guaranteed to ramp up, whether or not you win your present match; whether you climb or fall in the SR system; as long as you try your hardest.

It is not enough to be good, to climb in SR. MMR follows you from match to match, figuring out how good you are. Then it informs matchmaking, which forces you to be better than yourself if you want to advance.

In this way, you can experience the same difficulty playing at most competitive ranks, regardless of how good you are. From a game design perspective, this seems like a magic formula, a dream. But from a player’s perspective, it is a nightmare.

Handicap favors inexperienced players
If you are an experienced player (with one or more stars of experience), you have a strong interest in MMR’s removal from matchmaking. MMR ensures that players of similar experience will be distributed evenly across teams. Again, this might sound fair-handed but let me explain why it’s not.

If you are the most experienced player in a match, handicapping/MMR teams you with the most inexperienced player in the match while placing the second, third, and even fourth-most experienced players to oppose you on the enemy team. It is inexperienced players who benefit from that arrangement, and experienced players who suffer.

You may deny the correlation of experience and skill. Why then, does matchmaking never place a slew of experienced players against a slew of inexperienced players? Is it interesting to see the outcome of such a match, or is it no contest? Why doesn’t handicapping/MMR allow those matches to take place?

Devalued experience
Inexperienced/unskilled players think they are being tested by placement matches and regular competitive matches in the same way that more experienced/skilled players are being tested. So a player with less than one star of experience assumes that they are equal to all players at their SR level, regardless of experience.

It does not occur to inexperienced players that they have arrived at their SR standing through the assistance of a handicap. And who can blame them? The handicapping/MMR system is hidden, after all. But it is not fair to experienced players that they should be forced to contribute to the success of less experienced players.

New players have a right to prove themselves in Competitive Play. But they do not have a right to be braced by veterans in every match, and escorted to victory.

Handicapping has caused millions (billions?) of pointless arguments between experienced players and newbies who will not accept their advice or command. New players deride experienced players for not being ranked higher, for all their hours of practice. And since newbies and vets alike are unaware of the handicapping system, the situation suggests to everyone that experience counts for nothing.

Discrimination and segregation
It’s not only about the number of stars under your portrait. If you are the best healer, tank, or DPS in a match then MMR brands you as such, and pits you against the next best player in your hero class. This might sound fair-handed, but…

If you step out of one role to fill another, your team is likely to crumble because no one on your team matches your proficiency with the hero/class you switched from. This effectively locks you into a role without your knowledge or consent. And it ensures that if you are proficient with many (or all) of Overwatch’s hero classes and characters, you gain no advantage from it.

Handicapping/MMR discourages groups and teamwork
By punishing outstanding performances, handicapping/MMR catches the most effective Overwatch strategies in its snare. When a group chooses characters who complement one another, they create 'statistical anomalies’ that the MMR system ‘corrects for’ in its 'matchmaking problem.’

When a coherent group presents itself, the MMR system painstakingly matches them against equally coherent groups, despite the availability of less coherent groups of the same size, at the same SR level. Not only does that mean prohibitively long wait times for everyone involved, it costs such coherent groups the advantage they are supposed to have, by working out strategies and vetting their teammates.

MMR costs coherent groups countless opportunities to apply strategy against opponents who do not. It negates the advantage a coherent group would naturally have, under an impartial matchmaking system. Conversely, handicapping/MMR coddles players who ignore the principles of good strategy, sheltering them from competition with coherent groups they should be facing in their SR level.

MMR makes Overwatch the antithesis of a team-based game – a running contradiction to the idea that group cohesion and synergy mean anything at all.

Handicapping/MMR promotes ‘DPS instalock’
Healing and tanking are desperately ineffective when you have unskilled/inexperienced players filling the other roles. Solo players know this intuitively, and that is why we start every match pleading for sanity with 3-5 DPS instalocks. Despise these players if you will, but they are acting in their best interest under the handicapping/MMR system.

When a player climbs in SR by playing DPS well, they are essentially locked in to that role. That is because handicapping/MMR ensures that equally skilled DPS players in subsequent matches will be placed on the enemy team, so changing to tank or heal leaves the enemy DPS unchecked.

The leaderboards are absolutely dominated by DPS players (link redacted). Is it because DPS characters are intrinsically more effective than tanks and healers? Or is it because they have an advantage in the handicapping/MMR system?

E-Sports above all
Blizzard wants to use Competitive Play as a mere spectacle, not a proving system for team players who understand the game; the players who are truly the best at the game of Overwatch. Those experienced and skilled players are buried in the middle tiers, the dumping grounds into which they are swept by a never-ending stream of new Overwatch players. New players have no problem qualifying for gold and higher, because of the boost that handicapping/MMR gives them.

Meanwhile smurf account buyers scramble over us, like drowning swimmers, clawing their way up by pushing the rest of us down. They are gaming the MMR system that Blizzard has created by giving them more money. Is it any surprise that Blizzard is complacent in that behaviour?

What this means for players
It violates the faith we all have had in Competitive Play; that we can climb the ranks of the SR system by showing merit as team players. SR is our only form of rank and reputation but when we show true merit, an invisible hand guides us to challenges that are virtually assured to destroy our SR, our rank and reputation.

Performance-based SR…
…is Blizzard’s feeble attempt to restore the meritocracy of Competitive Play; to offset the profound SR-skewing effects of handicapping/MMR. It is a tacit admission that the SR system fails its supposed function of ranking players according to their skill.

Performance-based SR means that Overwatch players do not share the goal of victory with their teammates. The most cynical and well-informed players give up on victory to game the system.

One-tricking…
…is a natural consequence of performance-based SR. When players see that they are being graded on their own stats rather than the win/lose result of the match, it demotivates them from being real team players. Instead of doing what is best for their team’s chance of winning the match, they start doing what is best for their own chances of racking up big numbers in damage, healing, kills, etc.

Reverse karma
MMR works like reverse karma. It restricts our mobility in the SR system. If you’re interested to watch your SR trend up and down, and figuring out the strategies involved in your losses and victories, then no governing system outside of SR and your own group selection can serve your interest.

Double standard
In SR/MMR, we have a set of systems that judge us on the performance of our team as a whole (SR), but divide us on our individual merit (MMR) at every instance. It is a galling and obvious double standard.

While SR decides the level we are allowed to compete at, the majority of us are stuck in a quagmire we cannot climb out from, because rising up makes you a target for handicapping/MMR to strike down.

Artificial equality
A handicapped match is much more likely to hang in the balance, making it more exciting for players. But by handicapping a match, MMR makes its outcome intrinsically unrelated to the skill of the individual players and groups participating. It is absurd to increase/decrease SR based on the wins/losses of handicapped matches.

No Competitive Overwatch player has a fair chance of winning a match according to their skill. Because of handicapping/MMR, unskilled/inexperienced players are more likely to win and skilled/experienced players are more likely to lose.

Stop worrying and love the MMR?
Once you realize what MMR is doing to your odds in Competitive Play, it is still possible to enjoy yourself. If you think you can rank up, you just have to recognize that you are guaranteed to be teamed up with a statistically unlikely number of inferior players in every match. But don’t ignore that fact, or you’ll go insane.

Handicapping/MMR defies pattern recognition
Pattern recognition is our birthright as human beings, who evolved to use the very stars for navigation. Our brains have grown to run advanced heuristics in wars, and heated battles against enemy tribes. Games like Overwatch are allegories for war, which we play to enjoy our faculty of pattern recognition.

But handicapping/MMR circumvents the math that we would all use to understand Overwatch and game an impartial matchmaking system. It contradicts the calculations that we all make, based on reasonable assumptions about how matchmaking works. We assume that matchmaking is impartial, but that is not true.

Invisible standards
Competitive Play systematically deceives players on a grand scale. When the fact of handicapping and the metrics of MMR are hidden from players, it takes away players’ ability to rely on their own senses. When matches are handicapped without our understanding or even our awareness, it debases our perception of the game we’re playing.

Worst game-design ethics since World of Warcraft
Blizzard is violating the right we have as players to see the factors affecting our matches. Handicapping/MMR is the dominant factor of Competitive Play, and it is completely hidden from view. That raises ethical issues about consent, because most players would not engage in “Competitive Play” if they understood handicapping/MMR.

Nothing in Overwatch’s user-interface even mentions “Match Making Rating,” nor does Blizzard define it elsewhere. Blizzard fails to warn players about handicapping, leaving them to labor under a delusion.

Cause of toxicity
Much toxicity in the Overwatch community stems from cognitive dissonance (a kind psychological distress) caused by handicapping/MMR. When a player succeeds in one match, they are challenged in their next match by design. Wondering “What changed?” they can attribute the sudden challenge to unrelated factors by mistake. They may blame their own character selection and actions, or those of their team.

I’ve been toxic in my own matches. I’ve chastised many of my own teams who didn’t deserve it (especially new/inexperienced players). Because they weren’t meant to play with me in the first place; they were destined for lower ranks just as I was destined for higher ones. But handicapping/MMR intervened to everyone’s misfortune.

Handicapping/MMR renders the SR system meaningless, and leaves us without means to differentiate from each other. We are not in a proving ground, we are in a mill, churning inexorably with players who are not our equals.

I sound immodest, but I face this problem with tens of thousands of players like me. It is a massive and systemic problem. But it’s a simple problem, and it’s Blizzard’s to fix if they have the mind.

“Soylent Green is made of people!”
The most insidious aspect of MMR is the way it uses people. It uses the appointment of your teammates and adversaries to create your handicap, suppressing your chance of being teamed up with players who are as good as you are. So your teammates are guaranteed to be your inferiors or superiors, on a per-match basis, while your enemies are guaranteed to be your equals. What a grand, dystopian future we live in.

The travesty
Dictionary .com defines a travesty as “a grotesque or debased likeness or imitation; an artistic burlesque of a serious work or subject, characterized by ludicrous incongruity of treatment, or subject matter.”

In online games, the players are the subjects and the subject matter. Algorithmic handicapping makes Competitive Overwatch a travesty because it forces us, in every match, to play against those who are most like ourselves and with those who are least like ourselves.

Want a teammate who is as good at Hero X as you are? MMR prevents you from ever meeting them. At every instance, in every match, MMR ensures you can only be that player’s adversary; never their ally. And if you group with such a player, MMR prevents you from finding a fair match to play in.

Conflict of interest
If you would still defend the handicapping/MMR system as ‘fair-handed,’ reader, consider your principal interest as a Competitive player – victory.

Now consider these questions:

  • When you queue for a match, you deserve the same chance of victory as any other player in the match, do you not?
  • Would you accept a system that explicitly subtracts from your chance of victory, and adds to your chance of defeat?
  • If you are an experienced player, do you accept that you must babysit the inexperienced?
  • If you are an inexperienced player, do you want to be babysat?

This is about more than just “victory.” It is about the poetry of group synergy, of lucky random encounters. The uncanny lack of that poetry is what players feel when they rail about incompetency and toxicity in their team mates. Blizzard redacted that poetry when they imputed the handicapping/MMR system to Competitive Play.

Competitive players have an interest in fair, impartial matchmaking; randomly assigned teams of players with similar SR. We want to win or lose according to our merit not despite our merit. If that makes for short matches, then so be it.

It’s about money for Blizzard
Blizzard has an opposing commercial interest in making matches as drawn out as possible; they designed the handicapping/MMR system to ensure that every match is a struggle. And it comes directly at the cost of players’ mobility in the SR system.

The handicapping/MMR system does not make Competitive Play fair or even fun for long-term players. It makes matches protracted and desparate. Because that is what gives the appearance, the illusion of fairness, regardless of the truth. And it leads to repeat sales from Smurf account buyers who try to eschew the system.

The impetus
When Blizzard took the decision to apply MMR in Competitive Overwatch, I think they were driven by fear. They feared that players would reject their game as unfair when they had one-sided matches, and especially when they had one-sided losses. So they fundamentally undermined the fairness of competitive play to prop up the illusion of fair matches. In so doing they made the game profoundly frustrating, and paradoxically addictive.

Thinking that MMR worked for Quick Play and apprehensive of the ‘negative customer experience,’ that could result without MMR’s careful stage-work, they put it in Competitive Play and we’ve been suffering for it ever since. Blizzard warped their own game to suit their business interests (or the business interests of other stakeholders) at the cost of user experience, ultimately failing Overwatch players.

Why do so many game designers and publishers fail to recognize the principles of fair competition, in the “competitive” games they give us players?

It is because the creation process inevitably falls prey to greed; to blind, slavering stakeholder interest, all forms of commercial interest. Marketability trumps integrity behind closed doors.

The cholicy baby
Overwatch players themselves are to blame when they tell Blizzard that one-sided matches are “unfair” or “boring.” In handicapping/MMR, Blizzard is trying to give us what we want. But a good parent knows the difference between wants and needs. Players want engaging matches, but need to compete in an equitable system.

Realistic expectations
One-sided matches are a perfectly natural thing, and we would see a lot of them at the onset of an impartial matchmaking system. But at the end of a great sorting process of natural selection, we might have clearly established leagues and be able to expect some standards of play, outside of the bottom rank.

If you were playing in a baseball league, would you expect every game to be hotly contested? Would you expect teams to swap their strongest and weakest players to even the odds of every match?

Once again
The MMR system is handicapping system that is hidden from players, rigging their every match and dampening their best efforts. Instead of experiencing natural winning/losing streaks, we get a carefully monitored slow-drip, with victory and defeat in as nearly equal measure as matchmaking can arrange. The effects of the system are confusion, incumbency, and a completely incoherent narrative for every player’s career. It detaches a player’s merit from their rank and reputation.

We Competitive players want to deepen our knowledge of Overwatch and keep discovering its nuances by playing with our peers. But we can’t find our peers in a system that decides the nature of every match we play by pitting the best of us against each other.

My proposal
For the SR system to really work, it must be the only system. Teams should not be “balanced” based on anything besides their SR and their group size. Throw all the handicapping/MMR metrics out the window. If it is not possible to make matches with groups under those conditions, then competitive play should be solo-queue only.

To Blizzard
We know you worked hard on the handicapping/MMR system, Blizzard, but you can’t justify its existence in principle. You’re effectively forcing your best players to babysit your worst players, which is questionable. But you are also deceiving players by hiding the handicapping system from them, and that makes your game like a dirty casino.

Only when matchmaking is impartial can the win/lose outcome of an individual player’s matches be reflection their skill. Until then, Competitive Overwatch will be as a rigged slot machine, causing cognitive dissonance for all who play it. You need to consider the rights of your players, and decide what side of history you want to be on.

To the incumbents
Many Overwatch players (let’s say Platinum and above) have reason to be satisfied with handicapping/MMR. I haven’t been Platinum for several seasons, but I know that the most successful Overwatch players are lone-wolf DPS types.

Many incumbents have reason to fear the change I am suggesting, because it would reveal they are not as good at Overwatch as they think they are, or as the SR system suggests them to be. Their leadership and teamwork would be proven weak by an impartial matchmaking system, which would expose them to real competition.

These are folks like Blizzard’s precious cadre of “professional players,” who have been allowed to earn their titles under a false competitive system. I see the conflict of interest for them as well. But I hope they’ll prove their smarts by taking my side.

Let us see what Overwatch really is, together :slight_smile:

Appeal for action
The handicapping/MMR system prevents good team players from transcending the ranks of the bad. It uses experienced Overwatch players as training wheels for the inexperienced, rather than allowing us to separate as we would naturally.

What Overwatch needs is a complete overhaul of the Competitive Play system. It’s up to Blizzard to decide the particulars, but I think we are within our rights – as customers and as human beings – to specify terms of use. My principal specification is that Competitive Play should not he handicapped. Handicapping matches and hiding the fact of handicapping is deceptive, a violation of players’ rights.

Players, please speak up for yourselves. Complain to Blizzard and send them to this thread. Send other players here to comment and vote. Blizzard wronged us by designing Competitive Overwatch this way; let’s prove we are aware of that and demand better from them.

Further reading
Read Adam Alter’s book “Irresistible: The Rise of Addictive Technology and the Business of Keeping Us Hooked" for more information on the subject of gaming addiction.

For more on the subject of handicapping and other aspects of game theory and democracy, read “The Wisdom of Crowds” by James Surowiecki.

Citizens and consumers, take action
I urge legislatures and regulatory bodies around the world to ban the algorithmic handicapping of ranked competitive games, for reasons that are fully described in my original thread on the subject (linked above). We must stop eroding and start bolstering antitrust laws for consumer protection. Game holding companies like Activision pose risks to public safety with their products.

Games are social media
Multiplayer games like Overwatch are forms of social media. And like other social media they are long overdue for examination by regulatory bodies.

Multiplayer games are even more consequential than other social media. Their voice over IP lets us hear other human beings and have real conversations, instead of stilted text exchanges. They are where we work together as teams toward common goals, instead of scrolling feeds of random content. They are our proving grounds, where we strive in seemingly real, three-dimensional space against real human opponents. They are vastly more immersive than media like Facebook and Twitter.

Predictable pattern of predatory corporate behavior
My threads on this forum are emblems of a universal struggle. In Activision’s Matchmaker patent, we see the inherent, inexorable conflict of interest between public good and private gain. In the Matchmaker, Activision has patented a frustration engine that algorithmically turns the most skilled and effortful players against each other.

My stake
Why do I persist in my argument, after 4 years of stony silence from Activision/Blizzard? There is a soft spot in my heart for this genre of games because I met my wife in Team Fortress 2, Overwatch’s spiritual predecessor. I ran that game’s biggest and most respected clan at launch, The Last Gunslingers.

Because of my life experience, the elements of rank and reputation are profoundly meaningful to me, especially in online games. Games like Team Fortress 2 and Overwatch are allegories for battle. Their matches evoke the fighting spirit that we all have, which burns bright in our darkest moments. I do not argue on my own behalf, I argue on behalf of thousands of gamers who share my spirit, and my vision of fair, transparent competitive play.

What should we do?
When I quit Overwatch over four years ago, I began investing my time and energy in vastly better things. I’ve continued a technical writing career, attended my dying father, met a great love of my life, raised an infant, and in that time invented a new style of rodeo slackline exposure flow, a moving meditation I call ‘the gunslinger:’

We all have better things to do, than being systematically discriminated against and gaslit with algorithmic handicapping, a.k.a. Match Making Rating (MMR), and the associated systems of Performance Based Skill Rating Adjustment (PBSR) and “Skill Rating,” which I put in quotations because it is nominally false. The ranking system is a travesty. I quit cold turkey because of the corrupt institution of MMR/SR/PBSR.

Imagine, what can you achieve when you quit Overwatch? How much have your skills been wasted?

What untold potential is this false, dishonorable and farcical “COMPETITION” stealing from you?

Call to action
Players and citizens, we are faced with a daunting challenge. If we do not stand, we lose a turning point in a fight that is bigger than this case. Tell your elected officials that you want tech companies regulated. Tell them that you want anti-trust and anti-discrimination laws against deceitful and exploitive game holders like Activision. Like and share this post if you agree that MMR should be removed from Competitive Play.

468 Likes
The Crappy SR System
Why does Blizzard force losses?
I Can't Distinguish bots from players
Competitive forces 50-50
Lil question 4 you
I've been stuck in bronze for years. Please help!
Why is handicapping with an MMR in competition bad?
Why you will never climb!
Handicapping Competitive Play With MMR is Wrong
Competitive Play should be Solo-Queue Only
It Is Literally Impossible To Climb
Rigged games, handiccaping, matchmaker
What is a forced loss?
Algorithm is a disgrace
I have a theory about matchmaking
Algorithm is a disgrace
Wow what happened to player base?
Guys i've finally reached masters
Your team mates actually do suck
Im tired of Healers Playing Victim
People in gold and silver, it's not you, it's the system
EDIT: Overwatch is TRASH
What do you think is the core problem in OW right now?
Should I quit? Unable to Rank up
MMR handicapping time to be removed
Seriously need MMR reset here is yet another replay code
Welcome to Season 23 of Competitive Play
What Scott Mercer and Jeff Kaplan SAID about MMR
Placements EXTREMELY inaccurate
Junkrats buff is really a nerf
50% "handicap" misconception
Game Masters can't view MMR data
Played LITERALLY perfectly, ZERO mistakes, we still lose
Why cant we see our mmr?
Played LITERALLY perfectly, ZERO mistakes, we still lose
50% "handicap" misconception
Please we need a new matchmaker
What's Wrong With The Ranking System. (And How To Fix It)
Does MMR balance by role?
Publish the Matchmaking Algorithm
So let me get this right about the matchmaker
Why have hidden mmr but be represented by sr?
Why MMR reset won’t work
Ideas to make competetive actually competetive
Dps are so bad, fix matchmaking
Impossible to win any games as healer
Algorithm is a disgrace
The harder i try to win, the more i lose
Stacks have no place in competitive
How Competitive Matchmaking and Rating Works (Season 26)
Algorithm is a disgrace
Smurfing is bullying and blizzard encourages it
Match making is blowing my mind up
I can end the MM system debate with this simple question
So we dont get any Solving of the Smurf Issue till 2022
So we dont get any Solving of the Smurf Issue till 2022
Really intresting video worth a watch in regardss to Activision MM system different game - warzone - but same company do not expect anything to be different
Stop starting new accounts in high gold
I hope Blizzard "rating" algorithm is NOT like card-algorithm?
Elo hell is real and I can tell you all about it (gm/top500 player)
Ahhh Your Reward for Carrying yet losing is
SR clearly is meaningless stop acting like it means anything
Professional gambler explains why Competitive matches are rigged and how to negate the forced win/loss
State of OW "matchmaking" in 2020
Is Gold the real elo hell?
Most "smurfs" aren't actually smurfs, just lazy trend followers
Screw this game
What if the 'forced losses' are true?
Matchmaker has killed this game
Rigged matchmaker and too hard climbing
Just can't seem to rank up
How to fix competitive
Toxic community hiding evidence of fixed competitive matches
Noob placements in high gold matches. Forced loss, WITH EVIDENCE!
I climbed with a negative win Rate, you wont force me into your toxic behaviour!
Match Making Rating (handicapping) in a nutshell
Maybe MMR Range is too narrow? -5/5?
Why do i keep getting put in teams with low level players
If Yeatle can lose gold games, what hope is there for the rest of us?
I just lost 4 games in a row
Love the forced 50, 50 win rate
Why do you want MMR reset
I love comp but i am getting tired of carrying people
Just sad (on handicapping etc.)
MMR system like destiny 2 (possible fix to current system)
Mmr. handicap etc etc
MMR Reset when?
You're here to compete. Voice Comms should be compulsory
So unbalanced it aint even funny anymore
Randomized rolling mmr reset or maybe pay to reset
Does the MMR systems helps other rolls?
If you're getting a forced 50% win rate
Please rename Competitive
Luck, matchmaking and losing streaks
Dear Devs, inactivity MMR feedback
100% forced losing streaks
Fix smurf problem
Why are alt accounts allowed again?
Welcome to Season 29 of Competitive Play
Private career profiles were a mistake
Rigged matching rewards mediocre players
Someone explain the win/loss pattern
Forced Win Streak/ Rigged Matchmaking
Unwinnable matches are unwinnable by design
Why is MMR hidden?
Hate to even ask - but 1 more clarifying q about MMR / SR
Competitive is less competitive than QP
Is OW fundamentally flawed?
Competitive mode is anything but competitive
Ranked Matching
Blizz encourages smurfing ✓
Still forcing losses
Activision’s Matchmaking is Wrong for Competitive Play
Why can't blizzard fix there matching!
Is Climbing possible?
Another Forced Loss Example
It Is Literally Impossible To Climb
Detailed SR Algorithm?
Smurf culture makes overwatch much worse for most players
How to Stop team from pushing One By One
When the Matchmaker is against you:
Any theories why I am constantly with bronze border folks?
It's becoming impossible to enjoy competitive
Can you give me balanced teams?
No question game tracks you on losses.... no question
The real fun way to play OW is quickplay -Idiot me
Matchmaker Designed To Keep You At The Wrong Rank
The Crappy SR System
What Overwatch does bad VS what Overwatch does great
Why is Support the hardest role to climb with?
Why Your In Your Rank
Matchmaking in Ranked and Quickplay = lootbox based matchmaking
Just remove the ranking system
Am I wrong to say the team average MMR is an issue on Role Queue?
MM secretly locks Roles & Denies certain Roles to Players
What matters most for SR
How does the comp sr system even work
Ban Private Profiles from Comp
Horrendous Competitive Matchmaking
How do I stop getting bad teams
Why do matches feel so unbalanced?
I think it gets worse: Your MMR is not Role Specific
Receipts is 100% right. This game is absolutely rigged
How Competitive Matchmaking and Ranking Works (Season 28+)
Remove separate MMR's for role que & DELETE Open Queue
Blizz, I don't want to comp with people not in vocie
The flawed opinion on handicapping
The flawed opinion on handicapping
The flawed opinion on handicapping
Why are brand new players put in gold games?
Under 30% winrate on a hero
Is Overwatch making me depressed?
Open queue mrr different than role queue
Matchmaker put me in an "unwinnable game", I won
Matchmaker put me in an "unwinnable game", I won
Explain how MMR is fair...you can't
Losing the motivation
You just can't climb on support
Come back to us, BrightTitan :' (
Mathematically predicted - proof of win loss streaks
MMR protects OW Content creator's rank and profits
Talk about the matchmaking before we talk about balance
Mmr in overwatch
213 Match Analysis: Matchmaker Bias, Surprise Findings, Etc
Why Overwatch "Fair" Matchmaking is Anti-Fun
Stuck in mid-diamond and it's NOT my fault
What's Wrong With The Ranking System. (And How To Fix It)
Really intresting video worth a watch in regardss to Activision MM system different game - warzone - but same company do not expect anything to be different
Why 1000 sr difference in team mates make it 500 or less even
Yo, your game in its worst time
Rigged games, handiccaping, matchmaker
I Still LMAO When People Deny Forced Loses
Surprise, another losing streak forced on me by matchmaking
Blizzard cracked gambling
MMR is part of why queue times are so high. MMR must go
“ Levels don’t equal skill “
2-2-2 lock is a disaster and here's why [UPDATED]
2-2-2 lock is a disaster and here's why [UPDATED]
Am I wrong to say the team average MMR is an issue on Role Queue?
12 loses in a row
The fact that this is even a discussion
Did Dafran just aimbot glitch out?
Toxicity TOWARDS dps
Shortage of Tanks? Tanking is utterly depressing

Cuthbert still does not understand what MMR (match-making-rating) is. It is not handicapping. It is not rigging.

MMR is a (hidden) number that goes up when you win, and down when you lose. How much it goes up and down is a complicated formula, based on many factors, but the essential truth of wins are good and losses are bad is certain (4).

That MMR is then used to match people with and against people of similar MMR, in an attempt to create a 50% match (32). Here is the key part:

If a player’s MMR is wrong and too low, then the odds to win will be greater than 50%, and the player will win more games than he loses, which will cause his MMR to rise over many games played. He will then be placed with stronger and stronger opponents (and stronger and stronger allies) until his MMR is correct, and his win percentage approaches 50% (with some random oscillation around 50%) (7).

Once a player finds himself trapped in a rating range, the only way to break out is to improve as a player and play enough games to overcome any random factors (47, 48 at the end).

What is SR then? SR is a visible and friendlier approximation of MMR (23). It has no more meaning with respect to matchmaking than tier icons. However, except for top players who have decayed, MMR and SR are closely linked, so inspecting SR typically gives a reasonable estimate of a player’s MMR (22).

(4) https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745504371#post-3 “In Overwatch, whether your MMR goes up or down is contingent on winning or losing. But there are a number of factors that determine how much that rating goes up or down.” – Jeff Kaplan
(7) https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20753625906#post-13
(22) [https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20758686566#post-6
(23) https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20758686566#post-16
(32) https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745504371#post-3
(47) https://clips.twitch.tv/TallVainKumquatKappaWealth
(48) Groups and Matchmaking in Overwatch

See How Competitive Skill Rating Works (Season 13) for a much more thorough exposition.

91 Likes

You claim to understand Match Making Rating better than I do, Kaawumba, but none of us have complete information about it. As I wrote the original post of this thread, I consulted all of the company statements that you reference.

Blizzard does not have a right to keep Match Making Rating a trade secret. Players do have a right to understand the terms of their engagement in Competitive Overwatch. And removing MMR would be best for everyone involved.

93 Likes

He does understand MMR better than you. Don’t hide behind “well no one knows for sure” bs.

37 Likes

Kind of off-topic, but what happened to the other thread?

3 Likes

It still exists on this forum, but it’s locked.

7 Likes

This is not a thing unless you suffer from decay. The devs have stated that SR closely follows MMR most of other time. If you are a “relatively skilled player for your SR” your SR will very quickly adjust to match your MMR. That’s why decayed GMs can gain a hundred SR for a single win.

For 99% of the playerbase, SR = MMR. Nothing is hidden, and when it is (decay) it’s really obvious.

21 Likes

Do you believe mmr should not be shown?

The thought experiment on this logic was done in another thread, but basically right now there is no benefit to hiding mmr if your assumption is right.

If mmr does not follow the pattern you assume, and indeed is used to balance matches behind the SR range of a game, it is then hindering the gameplay experience.

So if revealing it shows mmr and SR closely tied and all players in your game matching mmr to sr consistently, toxicity and anger towards the matchmaker will drop.

If it is revealed and mmr is all over the place, toxicity towards the game design and the mismatched “lower skewed mmr” players would increase.

It should be obvious why they don’t want to release it.

“But!” I hear you cry, “if mmr was visible players could then rig the system to gain more SR as they can see the changes in mmr!”

This is somewhat counter to any statement that SR is close to or correlated closely to mmr. If they are as close as you think, then this is already possible and would have been done. Its been 2 years, it should have been done by now. You can’t argue both ways like that. Either they are close or there is strong variance.

So, the point I want to make is for us all to want to have mmr visible. It will clearly show whether the game is messing with players and artificially forcing easier and harder games.

Or it will show nothing sinister at all, and that everything perceived by some players is purely observational bias and not coded into the game.

14 Likes

You’d think Cuth would have learned by now…

Bah.

Here we go again…

9 Likes

Yeah, I agree that they should just show MMR. All SR does is confuse people about how the matchmaker works.

I’m pretty sure the only reason they hide it is for things like decay, but everybody knows that’s meaningless anyway.

11 Likes

Man, when reading a forum post calls for a Sanity Check (1d6/1d10)

6 Likes

I’m starting to buy into the handicapping theory more since playing FFA. If I get first place too many times the FFA matchmaker would place me against opponents that obliterate me and I would go on a loss streak in high plat ranks. I couldn’t climb to diamond in FFA because of this.

What did I do? I started letting people take first place and I would take 2nd or 3rd instead and I made a steady climb to diamond as soon as I did this. Now I’m in Diamond FFA and still do not face opponents as difficult as I did in mid plat when I was getting first place.

I still need more time to test this over and over, but it seems that if you play too well then the matchmaker will VASTLY overestimate your abilities and you end up playing in Diamond tier matches (or whatever tier is just above your current tier) even though you don’t have the diamond SR to match it.

37 Likes

This is not true for tiers below Diamond. We still have PBSR.

9 Likes

PBSR just accelerates your SR change. If anything it probably results in even closer SR/MMR values, though I do not know for certain how it interacts with the SR/MMR split.

8 Likes

Meaning: “Your MMR is far from your SR and should be closer”.
PBSR is pushing players towards MMR, which system considers “the player’s”. The system clearly has some predisposition in mind about everyone below Diamond :slight_smile:

2 Likes

Has it occurred to you that MMR is working just fine on Free for All? The reason you’re seeing vast jumps in skill when taking first place is because first place is indeed many times as valuable as the other placements. FFA comp also has much less information about every player, since it’s new, so that’s another reason you’d see larger swings in skill. There’s also less players: bigger swings in skill.

FFA comp is a small taste of what an MMR reset would actually mean. You complained about struggling to reach diamond, but that’s actually quite impressive; plenty of GMs placed in that vicinity. Low master was top 100 a couple days ago. You are basically complaining that the MMR was out to get you when you approached diamond , when in fact it was just putting you against the other people approaching diamond… many of whom are quite good.

7 Likes

For all we know PBSR is applied to the underlying MMR in addition to the SR. As I said, PBSR’s relationship with MMR/SR is unknown. They said it basically did nothing at the higher ranks when they removed it, if I’m remembering right. In the long run it probably does nothing other than move vastly misplaced players to the appropriate rank quicker.

2 Likes

It’s not revealed because it’s not a player friendly number, it probably changes in ways that seem unfair or capricious; it also is dependent on multiple values rather than just a single one, so it’s harder to display the information in a useful way to the player. All this is why SR exists in the first place: SR is not quite as accurate at determining skill as MMR, but it’s close while also being much consistent and fair, so they use that for the rewards and bragging rights.

I wouldn’t mind MMR being revealed, but don’t try to imply it’s some sinister conspiracy to keep it hidden.

6 Likes

They removed PBSR in higher ranks to prevent stats-hunting and encourage teamplay (figures - we, belowdiamonds, do not deserve to play for wins only).
Anyway, whatever the reason it was removed. You see, the problem with SR in OW is - it is no way a measurement of player’s skill. Because:

  1. It takes at least 20 games during a season to stop fluctuations due to matchmaker uncertainty. WTH, I’m playing for 5 seasons without breaks, and it still has uncertainty every 2 months??

  2. There are two invisible to player factors, affecting his SR movement - MMR and PBSR. We, as you have just said, have no idea about their relations -> we have 0 control of our advancement.

  3. SR for flex players is total garbage, since the skillsets for different roles (let alone, characters) are completely different. IT is MUCH easier for matchmaker to correctly rate a onetrick player, then flex player (your C.O.).

So, when a game tries to match players into teams, based on “certain SR range” (which is also unknown after season 7 changes), it effectively is using pointless metric. You could argue, that they match players according to MMR (I know, they do). But what insight about your gameplay can this fact give you? That you are at the same MMR bracket with that idiot one-trick DPS instalocker? Well, thanks, but no thanks.

9 Likes

The number one thing that sticks out to me in all the developers comments is the “certainty” factor. As in, once you’ve played enough games the system is “certain” of where you should be and prevents you from going up even if you actually do improve as a player.

I’ve been a high plat (like 2800ish) player since season 2 when they started using the current SR system. This season I started playing Brigitte and I’ve been destroying, I have like a 70% win rate with her over 50 games or so, and guess what? I’m still sitting right around 2800 because I get like 15 points for a win and lose 25 for a loss, as in the matchmaker is so certain that 2800 is where I belong that it bends my SR gains to keep me there even though I’m winning at a much higher rate, but it has no ability to see that it’s because of me playing a new character and improving at the game not just some insane luck streak, it’s really annoying.

19 Likes