What about Lucio? Heâs hardly effeminate, but I donât think heâs âmanly manlyâ in an extremely idealized sense. He just looks like a normal dude.
Iâm fine with whatever 30 is; Iâm just saying not all male characters are super idealized.
Also Zen is a male character, just like Orisa is a female character. Theyâre not like Bastion. Donât say that Omnics donât count, the whole game is about humans and Omnics co-existing / failing to do so. Donât contribute to the problem!
i think lucio is the peppy and zen is the zenly. Theyre not âmanlyâ, no, but neither really goes against gender norms
Iâm not afraid, like you said, the whole lore plot of the game revolves around politics created specifically for the game, so why ask/demand for things that, up until this point were not put in the game, just to be there, without giving ideas on hero design or lore background, even if a basic one.
Again, this is my opinion, but asking/demanding these things, without giving ideas on how to make it fit in the game itself as it is right now, just doesnât make much sense.
Itâs nice that social minorities (thatâs arguable when it comes to numbers sometimes, but in actual social power it makes sense) are getting represented, donât get me wrong, but why not let it happen at its own pace?
OPâs post was based around just asking for the next hero to have certain personality traits. Like I said before, why not expand on that then? Create the idea of a whole character, not just an isolated trait.
How exactly does a black woman not fit into a game that the developers themselves have called inclusive in the context of representing different peoples from around the world?
No one knows what Blizzard is up to, so we donât know what the pace is. Hypothetically, it could be never; weâre 29 heroes in and a black woman is nowhere to be found, while Apex Legends came out of the gate with two. It is imperative for people to discuss these things and let companies know how important these things are to them, especially since- honestly- Overwatch is an oasis in a desert. There is no other game that is deliberately as inclusive and as simultaneously open to feedback regarding representation, where the company listens to things like âYo, why the world are all the womenâs body shapes the same clicheâ skinny girl?â or âHey, why does the Brazilian black guy not sound Brazilian at all while everyone else has an accent or speaks their native tongue?â When you have only one option, youâre vocal over it.
Because theyâre not obligated to. OP probably doesnât think thereâs any need to tell Blizzard to create this specific character with this specific backstory and this specific kit and this specific voice actor and this specific set of skins, especially since the likelihood of all of those things coming to fruition is literally zero. I guarantee you any specific character concept we come up with will remain fanon. But you know what actually has a semblance of a chance of happening? A black woman. Or in the OPâs case, an effeminate male character.
Nah that thread is going to be made on the weekend.
What Iâm saying is that asking for it to be implemented, just to be there doesnât make much sense.
(Sure Orisaâs creator isnât in the game, but shouldnât that count for something? Since sheâs in the lore?)
That, believe it or not, made more sense than how he is now. Mixing languages. We really donât do that if weâre talking in another language. Not to mention, over time Brazilians tend to lose the accent, depending on the language of course, but english is one of them.
I understand the side of people wanting him to have portuguese lines, but taking in consideration our culture, they werenât needed.
Btw, until a few somewhat recent voicelines were added between him and Symm and him and Mercy, one could see his lore and think heâs just a thief, wich believe me, doesnât go very well with people down here, in fact a very common thing for some people to say, when talking about thieves is something on the lines of âa good thief is a dead oneâ.
iâm a one trap apocalypse 
Torbly > than any other peppy, manly manly, zenly, angstly character.
Did someone mention HERESY!?
Black Templar intensifies
People want characters that look like them to relate to, to play with, and to aid in the inclusion of media, which increases empathy and working opportunities for minorities. Theyâre not there for no reason.
Lucio only recently in the context of his story got wealthy enough to leave his podunk surroundings and start traveling. His tour took two years to put together, which would place him at minimum of 24 years of age before he got anywhere close to being able to leave Brazil. Thatâs 24 years of speaking Portuguese with a Brazilian Portuguese accent. If anything, the idea that he speaks English with a perfect American accent after only two years is what is fishy. But Jonny is a beautiful ray of sunshine who can do no wrong so I let it slide.
I think anyone reading his actual story and reducing him to a nothing more than thief is engaging in, well, reduction to absurdity; same as anyone looking at his musical occupation and dismissing him entirely as stereotypical on that front.
What are you talking about? Junkrat already exists.
This game needs blood elves cleary.
How many times do I have to say Junkrat already exists?
Then I must welcome you to the mind of some people here in Brazil. Sucks? Yup, but it happens anyway.
On that note, if you havenât, search and if possible watch a film called âTropa de Eliteâ (and the sequel if you want), idk the english name of it, if it even has one. It kinda shows this whole culture thing I talked about and shows how the corrupt side of Brazilian police and politics work (for the most part). You may know the protagonist tho, itâs the one that interprets Pablo Escobar on Narcos.
That doesnât mean he couldnât have practiced, but Iâll let that one slide.
He should be an effeminate male character with an ability to send decoys to fool enemies.
And should his name be Mirage?
Mirage is a gurl tho
You should go look up Apex Legends.
Warframes Mirage is better
I really hope it is Maximilian and he has a ULT like Zens except he blocks all healing like ana Nade and goes through barriers.
Right now only sombra ult is the only support ult counter. All other support ults counter dps ults.