Healers refusing to heal

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Nah.

in 16 more characters.

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We’re being trolled here.

9/10.

You’ve convinced most of us you have zero ability to rationalize your argument with any semblance of sound logic.

You’ve also shown you’re too scared to show a VOD. That way we can see if your gameplay is congruent with your idea of having any understanding of OW that aligns with Support shouldn’t be able to DPS.

You win.

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Well then you can simply stay in your low rank games with your misinformed opinions about how supports function in this game and continue to close yourself off to information that will allow you to actually get better at this game, because apparently learning to improve in this game is “cancer”.

Instead, you should just keep whining in the forums about how supports should be heal bots. I’m sure daddy Jeff will keep an eye out for your comments and change the entire function of supports and Overwatch as a whole just to cater to your specific wants and needs. Have a good day. :heart:

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“I would love to know what rank you are”

But also "“Well stay in your low rank”

Make a decision gamer.

You sound even more like a cancerous redditor. Blocked.

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Bro I think you keep msreading his first point with he was bap trying to keep his team alive when his lucio was trying to spawn camp the enemy

And yet you want to review his gameplay for HIS mistake when in reality it was his lucio in the wrong as a flex person who plays every hero (Hanzo main at heart) I have played my fair share of supports (lucio ana and zen being my favs)

I can tell you 100% it’s a lot harder to win and more rage inducing when your moria or lucio just dives the enemy before your team and they proceed to just dps when you should be grouping up and they get picked off and then blame the team and dawg don’t lie and say it doesn’t happen it does sadly but I try even harder to keep my team alive

But the forums almost always blame the player and not the one who literally kamikazes the giant monkey and godzilla with nothing but a nerf gun kinda of like how you are blaming the bap instead of the lucio whipping out the nerf gun ready for godzilla vs kong releasing March 26 2021 (hype)

But I do agree the bap is a bit of a loony also I am bored

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I guess I better run to my box of Kleenex to wipe away these tears that are streaming from my eyes because I got blocked by someone in the Overwatch forums. Hope I don’t run out of them.

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Your post is pretty much what I experienced often. What healer I play doesn’t even matter. The point was that the OTHER healer cosplays as a DPS while I try to keep the game alive. But I guess having Moira play DPS (pure dps) and Lucio jump speedboost around at the enemy spawn is my fault :laughing:

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Oh yeah the forums always blames the victim even tho it was out of your control people like that lucio give supports a bad rep

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I’m not misreading anything. I have a lot of time in this game on all 3 roles. I know very how much it sucks to not be healed. I main Ana, and hate when I have a Zen, Moira, Lucio, Brig ignore me so I don’t have to nade myself in a crucial moment.

I’d never suggest removing dps from support. No amount of bad experiences in that situation warrants removing the ability to assist or confirm a kill from the support class. That’s what this thread is about. So if someone is in favor of a suggestion, yes, it’s reasonable to ask about seeing their gameplay. Besides, my response wasn’t about that specific play.

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Yeah, no. The moment they get dived its over. People would just stop playing healer if you did something as stupid as this.

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i liked this video about supports role and what they can do (includes damage)

of course its mostly pro play so a healer not healing is not the fault of the design of the hero but 
 the player :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: all about decision making and awareness

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You don’t focus on one thing, as in once you are good at something you can shift that focus on to the next. This way you focus on doing all things better, but try not to stop at just one. If you don’t have downtime don’t dps. But if you can’t identify your downtime for healing or refuse to acknowledge it because of some arbitrary role play rule you follow in your head that’s on you

Edit: I used to think like you. I realized I was holding myself back because of an ignorant disposition, one you are desperately trying to justify just to not “lose” or appear wrong or maybe you’re scared of questioning yourself.

You may call other people Redditors but you read like a politician

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“Solution: Remove their ability to do damage. Then they depend on keeping their team alive to survive
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And what do we do with DPS and tanks that let them die?

Take away flankers ability to get health packs? Delete hog’s heal?

Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? Play healer if you have a problem with it.

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This thread became quite entertaining while I was gone.
After reading what was posted, I came to the conclusion, that you had bad experiences with dps lucios and dps moiras and that is why you think, supports should not have any sort of damage, direct or via ability, whatsoever.

Like other people already pointed out, that alone is your own experience and no objective reason, therefore lacking as a basic for the initial argument. Everybody has this kind of player from time to time in their games, and it’s frustrating asf. But this is a problem of the individual player’s character, not a basic problem with the gameplay mechanics. It’s like saying, I had a thrower in one of my last 50 games, therefore you should only be able to play, if you pay for every rank game you want to participate. You can do that, but it’s exaggerated in relation to the problem.
Additionally, the most players you get teamed up with are not like that and try their best to fulfill their respective role. Would it be otherwise, nobody would play this game and all the people here wouldn’t argue about this thread’s idea.

Concerning the starting argument of this thread, and as a response to your conviction, I think it’s a bad idea to take away dps from support for the following reasons:

  1. It’s a MOBA shooter/fun. How many would play support for the sole purpose of enabling others to actually shoot at enemies? In a shooter?

  2. Damage support or the LOL example. If you take a quick peek to MOBA’s out there, where the three roles in OW originate from, you will see pretty fast, that damage supports are a common occurrence. Playing support in LOL back in the days, I can assure you Lux, Brand or Senna are very viable in their support role, by dishing out damage and enable AD carries to get their kills. OW gameplay may be different from pure MOBA’s, and you can’t convert all mechanics 1on1, but negating the fact, that damage IS utility and absolutely can be part of a support heroes kit is just ludicrous. Considering the OW hero roster atm, we have only one real damage support, Zen. If damage support would not work in OW, why do players don’t unanimously demand from blizzard to rework or delete this character? Because it isn’t a problem of the gameplay mechanic of supports doing dps in general rather than wrong/toxic/grieving use of support heroes by a tiny minority of players.

  3. Control. One of the things players hate the most, is feeling powerless. Good examples for this sentiment are Mei’s freeze, DF’s Punch, Road’s hook or Ana’s sleep. If you take away damage from players, without any compensation, they are powerless against any enemy in shooting range. Ergo players fell bad playing support and the role would lose great appeal, unless you give them something in return. Which leads to


  4. Equivalent exchange. If you take something, you need to give something in return. Like I mentioned in a post on this thread before, the obvious solution would be to give supports more utility. The easiest and laziest form of utility is CC. I don’t know about you, but I really don’t want to fight/teamfight against, for example, an Ana with 5 sleep darts, 5 anti-nades, 3 slow darts and 2 damage reduction darts. Another form are escape abilities, for example, a Zen with a damage negating phasing ability or invulnerability on a 10-second cooldown. How the last one is seen in the community, should be common OW knowledge (hello Bap!). Killing supports would be way much harder with approaches like this and imho no improvement to gameplay.

These are my two cents regarding this topic. I invite you to present your arguments and have a proper discussion.

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This was a great response, however when I attempted to explain to Sinist that damage was a form of utility he literally just said “Nah.” and then blocked me. Can’t really explain to someone using rationalization and logic when they simply won’t hear it.

It’s that type of behavior and unwillingness to learn/adapt/change that gets people stuck in specific ranks.

We all know that there will always be games where you just have a teammate that doesn’t pull their weight or throws, whether on purpose or simply from poor awareness and positioning, but GOOD players will always be looking to see where they themselves performed poorly or at what they themselves could have done better. Good players that want to rank up and get better at the game are always looking at ways to improve instead of blaming everyone else for their failures.

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Thank you. :smile:
I saw your comment and his response, and I was like “wtf? He must have never played a MOBA in his life before, or he doesn’t care.”. That’s one of the reasons I put it in there.

It’s one of the hardest thing as a player to learn and to apply accordingly. I also tend to get emotional and blame my team for losing fights instead of using my brain for two seconds and admit that my positioning was awful in the last team fight. Watching replays of your games helps tremendously with this problem though. Don’t know how many times I sat in front of my screen, facepalming over what dumbass things I had done in certain situations. :sweat_smile: :laughing:

Little anecdote from one of my last games: I played D.Va on Volskaya attack, trying to learn her again after not playing her for several seasons. In the chat my Mercy was ranting how the hell I move and how I manage to always stay out of her LOS. I just thought “what the hell she’s talking about, everything’s working fine so far”. I watched the replay afterwards. Oh boy, I, single-handedly, with just my bad movements, killed her at least two time and negated GA at least one time in a crucial team fight. :joy: :joy: :joy:

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idk about you but a lot of the time when I get accused of not healing it’s when

  • people do stupid :poop:
    • e.g. a rein that likes to charge in alone into a 1v6 and somehow expect me as mercy to follow and somehow outheal that (legit happened to me yesterday)
  • people have unreasonable expectations
    • e.g. had a pharah/echo complain about a lack of heals despite the support picks were moira and lucio and all the other picks on the team were more deathball-y.
    • or a pharah expecting a zen orb = mercy pocketting and then demanding a mercy pocket just because they’re playing pharah.
    • or people, despite very clearly in a deathall-y composition, simply going in their 4 directions despite the fact their main healer is a moira. can’t heal well or have enough resources to heal everyone if I have to chase each person individually.
    • or people thinking that I’m “dps’ing” because I have my pistol out defending myself (with 0 people to fly to btw) from a flanker that HAS already hard staggered us and is continuing to do so with my teammates watching that continue to happen from the death spectator view.

ew no. fat chance. it’d be like removing tanks’ ability to damage just because you want them to just be damage sponges in holding the front line or removing mobility from non-tanks because you want them to actually follow tanks.

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“I don’t heal, I just jump around at the enemy spawn as Lucio” :laughing:

You’re one of the very people I report for gameplay sabotage.

Ok explain to me how exactly a Lucio that doesn’t heal once and is feeding 24 hours a day + is refusing to heal not at fault for the team losing in a team based game. When clearly each time I see whatever team has the DPS Lucio is losing.

Also please go on and tell me if you and me play a match together, I decide to just run in and die + troll, how and what YOU would make better because clearly that’s your fault, no?

Your fault I pick Roadhog and decide to intentionally lose the game, yes? :slight_smile:

:laughing: You’re getting desperate. Reddit and everyone on that website is trash. If you are one of them I wouldn’t consider you even human.

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Healers without the ability to defend themselves. Bad idea


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Irrelevant.

OW isn’t one so irrelevant.

They still have their utility.

See 3.

OW isn’t one so still pointless to compare.

Otherwise: hand over the items you can buy in MOBAs. Then that’s fine. Blink dagger from Dota on every support? Hell yeah.

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