And she also beats him by more than 2% in winrate which is significant for GM games. He already has weaknesses, you’re just too blind to see and utilize them, or know what they are and refuse to do so, which is arguably worse.
Ah, I see the problem here; you think Hanzo is balanced. He’s not.
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Ah I see you’re a sym/junk main, two of the heroes hanzo counters hardest.
Ah I see you’re the type to look at people’s profiles and use the information of what characters they like to play in order to try and invalidate their opinions on characters, super interesting. (Oh wait, it’s tired and boring.)
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Brigitte has a higher winrate than Ana in GM, but her pickrate is significantly lower. So all those players should be playing more Brig than?
And Torb has a significantly higher winrate than Widow in GM, yet Torb is much lower in pickrate.
Either GM players don’t know what they’re doing in GM, or winrate is a statistic that have more variables then you realize.
I’m not invalidating your opinion. I’m simply drawing from who you play to gain insight on why you might have this opinion
Or you could have just like, idk, asked my opinion on why I think he’s OP instead of assuming what it is?
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All information is useful - and you have yet to provide your insight sooo
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Well you never asked, you just pointed out what heroes I liked and then didn’t ask my opinion, while supposedly ‘not trying to invalidate my sentiment’ - despite it being pretty obvious that was what you were doing. Soooo…
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You bring up how I didn’t ask for your opinion and then refuse to provide reasoning. Yikes
yo forgot to put his mobility into account and if he is half way decent with a mercy pocket u can forget jumping him
The reasoning on why you didn’t ask my opinion? Easy - because you don’t care what my opinion is, you just saw someone make a joke about a character you clearly like or are interested in defending and then wanted to tear me down. So you looked at my profile, saw I like Sym and Junk, and then presented that information on a forum in order to basically say ‘Ah yes, this person plays heroes that are weak to this hero, so CLEARLY their opinion will be skewed’ rather than ever once just doing the normal or nice thing and saying “Hey Carver, why DO you think Hanzo is OP, I’m curious about your opinion.”
And you still have not asked, you’ve just gotten defensive and weird about being called out about what you did. So y’know, feel free to ask, like a person, if you want. But I doubt you care.
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Yeah no I’m not doing this. Either provide your opinion or don’t. I’m not wasting my time with 5 comments on why I “don’t care about your opinion” rather than just fking saying it goddn.
It’s pretty hilarious to me that you can’t even swallow your pride enough to just ask someone what their opinion is after you got called out on your BS behavior lol.
SINCE YOU DIDN’T ASK AT ALL: Let me write down my Hanzo Opinion so you can then tear it to shreds specifically because you don’t like me.
Is that what you were hoping for, my dude?
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Apparently you need my permission to speak you’re opinion? Cuz that’s what I’ve gathered from this
No I just don’t put out my unsolicited opinion when I’m making a joke, because I’m able to separate the spheres of having a conversation and just making a passing social jibe about something. If anyone wants my honest hanzo opinion they can ask for it, but you’ve just been backtracking ever since I pointed out what you did.
SO even if I do write it out, you’ll just argue with me. And even if I have valid points, you’ll probably ignore them, because at this point it’s pretty clear you’re about as stubborn as I am on this crap. I mean hey, no one likes getting called out, I get it.
Maybe next time don’t insist you’re not doing what you’re so transparently doing.
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I just wanted your opinion but ok, lol
And you finally said so! Congrats, you did it my man!
Kidding aside ~ I think Hanzo is OP because TBH there was a LOT more ‘skill’ involved before they changed his arrow speed to make him more hitscan. I played a LOT of Hanzo back before they made this change and I got very used to (and could appreciate the skill required to be good at) the arc of arrows, factoring things like travel time and angles and all that really interesting stuff. It was a challenge and it didn’t net you immediate rewards, you had to work at it and that felt good - but not impossible by any means, so something for players to work towards. I even thought people flipping out about scatter arrow were being melodramatic, but that was just my 2 cents, because even with scatter you could only kill one enemy and you HAD to land it under their feet and even then it was no real guarantee, I saw plenty of good Hanzo’s miss their scatters and the ‘randomness’ factor didn’t bother me when in rooms all that much - at least not when you compare it to Storm arrow.
I think new Hanzo is OP because he’s got a ‘good to great’ version of everything, whereas most DPS characters have obvious weaknesses and obvious strengths, or are middling at all things. Hanzo really gets to have his cake and eat it too - he’s got good mobility, great damage both close and far range, the ability to 1 shot people, VERY high damage ‘abilities’ with stormbow and his ultimate, and his sonic arrow ability is Widow’s ultimate on cooldown - and it’s a SHORT cooldown now, too. That’s… A LOT.
When you basically look at him VS any other dps character I can’t think of any one of them that has so much going for them as Hanzo does, and it just feels stilted. It’s not even that he’s ‘super’ OP, because he really is sort of flying under the radar - the fact that you NEED to aim decently enough in order to get value out of him will always kind of make it hard to properly assess how OP he is because aim as a skill has a huge range from terrible to crack shot, it’s hard to properly value up when you look at a game like Overwatch where aim is important but should not be the be all end all of everything.
So basically - If all DPS characters are getting paid out by Grandma for their birthdays, most characters got $40-$60 in their cards, and Hanzo got like… $75. There’s a $15 discrepancy - something’s gotta give to ‘even him out’ so to speak.
In my opinion.
edit: I think I should emphasize if they reverted him to the old fashioned arrows I’d be able to respect his kit more because it felt like a lot more skill was involved, now he’s very ‘hitscan’ and between that and stormbow if you’re a good shot you can just slaughter with Hanzo in a way that Widow and McCree (old Mccree, they JUST juiced him up!) couldn’t do.
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Here I was thinking free speech was a thing… congratulations on contributing to the original post a dozen replies later
Jokes aside,
I agree on the first part, I was a borderline Hanzo OTP when I first started OW, the transition from his old projectile speed to post-buff was really weird. And scatter definitely wasn’t OP, the same way I don’t think current hanzo is.
He does excel at midrange, but he’s outclassed at close/long by the respective heroes, and he doesn’t have widows ult on a cooldown - his sonic has been nerfed to guarantee that it’s worse by enough.
Since his original rework, he’s lost damage on storm arrows, enough that he can’t 1-shot tracer/baby dva on his own
He can’t boost his ult anymore
He lost range on sonic to be less widow-ulty
If anything were to happen he should lose storm arrows and regain the ability to boost ult
- He’s not outclassed in close / long ranges where I tend to play, and of my three accounts I’ve seen plenty of Hanzo’s who are able to -reliably- land close range shots in a way that make them pretty lethal to be around, and I’m only at like gold level. So anyone above that is going to be able to land those close range shots, and probably a lot of long range too, because so much of Hanzo’s kit is about -predictive- shots: firing arrows where you know the enemy is rather than actually lining up your shot and firing.
So I really disagree that he’s ‘weak’ anywhere outside of midrange. Sure, he’s the absolute strongest at midrange, but he’s also very strong and CAN BE strong at close and long range. Compare that to Tracer, who, no matter how good that Tracer player is, she will NEVER be ‘good’ at long range, or even good at mid range, because of her damage falloff of her weapon. Sometimes the character just is not even capable of doing something - that’s what balance is. Hanzo IS capable, so the more skilled players are able to get that much more value out of him. That’s giving him more money to play with, basically, than the other DPS characters.
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I’m not sure why he should be able to 1 shot a Tracer or Baby D.Va with an ability considering that it basically means those characters can’t be played around him at all, given that the only requirement is that you be able to aim at them and then can kill them with an ability. Which is not the same as Widow or normalHanzo landing a critical headshot, because landing a body storm arrow shot is less inherent challenge, that’s why there’s a difference in the insta-kill-reward there.
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How much range did he lose on sonic? Last I saw they’d buffed the circle so that it was bigger than ever AND reduced the cooldown on it, so I haven’t seen them actually nerf sonic arrow at all, I’d be curious to hear what it was.
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I would totally agree with him regaining the ability to have his ult boosted given that we now have Baptiste’s anti-death disk in the game, it seems like there are more counterplay options to the whole Zarya Hanzo Grav thing that we didn’t have before.
Basically I still think he’s getting more money from Grandma, and poor Sym is over there with like, $25 bucks and a gift card to walgreens =/ it’s just not fair when you compare him to the rest of the DPS lineup, and that’s how you should judge him.
edit: I mean, I’m trying to look at it from as an objectively critical place as I can. Just because Hanzo is OP doesn’t mean there aren’t other characters who are cheaper to play, cheesier, or that it makes you like a bad person because you like playing him. He does require a lot of skill, timing, and nuance that a good portion of the lineup just doesn’t. He’s a classy guy, I can respect the folks who put the time in to master him. Buuuuut he’s also just… Got a LOT going for him, y’know?