Hack / EMP / hack

[Lias-11313]

@GreatHwyte-1231

In general this game needs diminishing returns on all CC, whether its hack, Mei’s Freeze, Stuns, or even displacement effects.

The effect should be reduced by half for each subsequent application, on a timer that resets after X seconds.

Main issue I see with that is your teammates unintentionally loweiring the DR for more important CC

Like Lucio booped an enemy oh now I guess Flashbang is worthless for X seconds

[Destrolock-2131]

@Lias-11313

Like Lucio booped an enemy oh now I guess Flashbang is worthless for X seconds

Do you add visual help or do I need to trust my team that they tell me when they cc someone?

Bc i hate to waste flashbang on a normally 100% safe kill. Just bc lucio booped someone 2m 3sec ago.

Ow is so fast i don’t think it makes sense…
Just add anti cc heroes. Imho

Even though sounds funny, lucio boops tracer 3m away, brig bashes through her without touching her.

[Yara-11173]

@Lias-11313

Like Lucio booped an enemy oh now I guess Flashbang is worthless for X seconds

Good.

[Yara-11173]

@Destrolock-2131

Just add anti cc heroes. Imho

So a year from now we can have 3 heroes that may or may not help? Far too little, far too slow, far too late.

We needed CC reduction 12 months ago, not 12 months in the future.

[Destrolock-2131]

Think about shatter, well hammond pile drived into them, shatter hits nothing, immune.
Sounds fun? Yeah, but not really fair.

Brig bashed reinhardt, immune to cc, can’t get shattered.

Genji nanoblade, lucio boops, sleepdart goes through

Mei touched you with freeze? Df punsh wont hit you

[Yara-11173]

Sounds much better than bouncy castle simulator.

[GreatHwyte-1231]

I’d say the diminishing return should only apply to that specific “school” of CC

So a Lucio boop as a displacement effect has a different diminishing return timer than a flashbang, a stun effect

You could have atleast 3 schools

Displacement (Lucio boop, Doom uppercut, ect)

Stuns, defined as instant loss of ability to interact with your character (McCree flash, Brig shield bash)

Detriments, defined as effects that negatively effect your character in some way (Sombra’s hack, Junk’s Trap)

[P0WER-11471]

The devs do not care what it is like on ladder or qp, the game does not make them money, only OWL does, so they are only balancing around OWL and OWL alone.

Which is why I don’t purchase any loot boxes.

[Tempest-22844]

The way I bully rein as sym and mei and hog is so cruel

[Malmortus-11174]

How do you think the tank player feels when they are 100% completely at the mercy of their team to all avoid the EMP, heal you, and back you up, because once the first hack goes through there is nothing you can do beyond that.

Hardly any room at all for individual counterplay.

[Yara-11173]

@GreatHwyte-1231

I’d say the diminishing return should only apply to that specific “school” of CC

So a Lucio boop as a displacement effect has a different diminishing return timer than a flashbang, a stun effect

You could have atleast 3 schools

Displacement (Lucio boop, Doom uppercut, ect)

Stuns, defined as instant loss of ability to interact with your character (McCree flash, Brig shield bash)

Detriments, defined as effects that negatively effect your character in some way (Sombra’s hack, Junk’s Trap)

Or, alternately, CCs on cooldown trigger resistance, CC on Primaries or ults do not, or vice-versa, or something along those lines.

Anything would help.

[MercyEGirl-1189]

Yeah i like playing orisa because she can actually defend herself unlike rein who is screwed w/o his sheild

[Yara-11173]

He’ll be screwed with the shield too. Enough CC that goes through shield exists.

[Mitrovarr-1405]

Yeah, if you are getting hacked left and right Orisa is a much better choice than Rein. First of all, you can actually shoot Sombra (so a hack-EMP-hack is very unlikely to occur), and secondly the shield doesn’t go down when hacked, you just can’t drop another one for a moment.

I’ve actually switched off Sombra because the other team was running Orisa and it was just too hard to obtain any value against her.

I’m starting to wonder if the whole “Tanks are too vulnerable to CC” thing is at least partially people just not recognizing that Rein might be hard countered by Sombra and probably Doomfist.

[Yara-11173]

@Mitrovarr-1405

I’m starting to wonder if the whole “Tanks are too vulnerable to CC” thing is at least partially people just not recognizing that Rein might be hard countered by Sombra and probably Doomfist.

Lets not pretend CC didn’t increase massively to a point of abundance.

[Mitrovarr-1405]

Did it?

CC the game shipped with:
Earthshatter
Literally the entire concept of Mei
Flashbang
Lucio boop
Junkrat’s trap
Roadhog’s hook
Primal rage
etc…

In fact I’d say the three most oppressive CCs in the game are Earthshatter, hook, and flashbang (all three almost always result in you dying without anything you can do about it). And they were all in the base game.

[Yara-11173]

@Mitrovarr-1405

Did it?

Yes.

Just after Doomfist: We got 4 heroes that added 7 CCs.

The knockback patch.

Removal of Orisa, Dva, Pharah and Mercy knockback resistance.

Doomfist cooldowns buffs.

The only reductions were Doomfist nerfs, one of which was partially reverted. Everything else was CC increase.

[Mitrovarr-1405]

Well to be fair knockback did got worse when they made it more consistent.

[Somvra-1200]

@Yara-11173

Sorry. I’ve long argued that Sombra needs harsh adjustments to make her more viable on ladder. The fact that she’s caught in this CC creep is just unfortunate.

What changes do you suppose?

[Somvra-1200]

I personally don’t think she is getting rebalance as she is fine.

As for the Tanks, even though I hardly play Tank just in any general game, tanks in this game feels more really lacking, and I promise you one thing though… Sombra is NOT the reason for that.