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They said there’s more nuance than just being equally banned outright all the time. Overreacting and misrepresenting what they said doesn’t help.

Blizzard doesn’t exactly have the reputation of following through with exactly what they say they’re doing

I mean how does a player get suspended for abusive chat when they never communicate in game at all, yes the system’s automated so you could argue that but then when they seek an appeal it gets denied even though there’s literally no evidence of them ever engaging in abusive chat

As long as this change doesn’t affect us solo queuers, it doesn’t matter. It seems aimed at people who create cheater accounts to charge money to boost other people in ranked play.

I don’t want to get penalized from having the occasional cheater pop up on my team in quickplay games. It’s rare but occasionally you’ll get a suspicious Hanzo that seems too good to be true.

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If you solo q you’re probably fine. This is aimed at group queue only.

but if you actually form a pre-made group with Clive the Cheater, who has been flagged for using cheats in the past,

this isn’t steam. you can’t just click on someone’s profile to see if they have had a vac ban at any point in the past. your argument is moot because of this 1 simple fact of life.

Not mine. Blizzards.

That’s what they’re saying. If you willingly group up with a cheater, and they’ll know as they can monitor chat and voice comms, they’ll penalize you even if you’re not using cheats yourself.

It’s unlikely going to be a ‘one and done’ deal though. A pattern would need to be established first.

oh boy i cant wait to get banned from comp for the season because of disconnect penalties just to make everyone else happy that i’m not playing with a cheater that doesn’t say anything about it and if for some reason they’re absolutely dumb enough to admit to it in chat. then as a solo it’s still somehow my fault and i catch a ban for that too.

are yall not reading what yall type before you hit that submit button? if you queue right up as soon as the match ended and end up on the team with the cheater again, as i have with multiple other people in comp and unranked rqp in the past then yall will still somehow associate me with a cheater that i’m getting paired with by the games broken match making system.

sounds awesome. can’t wait for a ban for something i’m not doing and not capable of doing on a console. :+1: :+1:

They said people who group with them regularly. Your scenario isn’t that.

This removes one of the incentives that causes people to cheat in the first place - boosting the ranking of other players in the group who are not cheating. That’s what they’re trying to stop.

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People have literally been asking for this since Overwatch 1 since most cheaters are stacking as they’re getting paid to boost people, and it’s hardly possible to regularly group up with a cheater and not realise they are cheating so let’s not play that card.

Again, ‘willingly’ is the word that’s important there.

You queue for a random comp match and a cheater gets put in your group? Then there will be no penalty. You didn’t willingly group with that cheater, you were thrown into a random group with them.

But if you have a friend who cheats, and Blizzard knows they’re cheating, and then they notice a pattern of you grouping up with that person and benefitting from their use of cheats. That’s when you’ll get slapped with an account penalty. By ‘grouping up’ they mean creating a party and queuing together for a game you absolute spanner.

i feel this will get quickly reversed as you cant tell if someone is a obvious cheater or not

i did have a masters friend a while ago who had like 10 accounts. young kid that i played with at times but not much since when i teamed up with him the lobbies were pretty sweaty… (probably because he was near being grand master)

i was curious about his 10 accounts tho and him making more later, didnt play with him much since the lobbies were crazy but yea later i thought hmm

maybe :smile:

havnt seen him in over a year :rofl:

I can see both sides to this.

One hand, there are those who will sacrifice their account using cheats and their friends will group with said Cheater to boost. The Cheater being the scapegoat and if the Cheater gets banned, only the Cheater gets punished. They then just create an Alt and the process repeats. Now banning the Cheater and the Beneficiaries will make all involved wonder if it’s worth the time to make all the alt accounts.
But then…
What if I wish to climb the ladder but I plateau so the pool of players I end up with have cheaters and I get matched to be their teammate? What prevents me from having action taken against my account if the MM forces me to play with the offending player repeatedly? This is a big concern.

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You group with cheaters, lol. Only reason to post this. Get out of here loser!

So I’m wondering what your definition of the word “regularly” is. If you’re regularly grouping up with a cheater then yeah, you should probably know by then.

The fact that you’re don’t directly queue with them.
The only worry I have is if they will bother enough to actually verify those cases, or just apply the banhammer based on numbers.
Let’s say you play with someone every day, and he never cheated once while playing with you. Then that person decides it’s a good idea to cheat and goes to do that on his own. If they only check numbers like if someone queued multiple times with that person regardless of when and how, then you could end up banned as a side effect of this.

Yeah, because it’s so hard to imagine scenarios in which this could backfire. It could have potential to ban people who didn’t do anything wrong, so it’s normal for people to worry about this.

I want you banned for eternity. You guys have ruined FPS gaming. You are not innocent, you know what you’re doing, and only banning 50k in 40m is a joke. There should be 1m banned by now.

Here you go. You can thank me later.

This is what they are talking about.

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Looks like this was designed to combat boosting services where one cheater will regularly group with their ‘clients’ to rank up.

It used to be that even if a cheater was banned, it would be on a burner account and everyone using the service would be fine because their accounts would be ‘clean.’ The cost of having a single burner account nuked for cheating was easily covered by the price of the ‘service.’

The threat of having both client and cheater accounts banned (and losing their revenue and/or accounts) should give both parties pause for thought.

Its unlikely that your average player will regularly team up with cheating accounts.