I understand, allow me to explain. First, the only mistakes that can happen is your SR. The SR may not be a good indication of your actual skill. Athough Jeff said it was a good indication, and I believe him.
Secondly, wouldn’t you agree that if 12 people played each other 6v6, and they all had 2800 SR. That the match would be 50/50? And if one team had 2799SR and the other team had 2801 SR, wouldn’t you agree that it would now be 49.995/50.005?
Wouldn’t you agree that that make sense. When you say forced 50/50, this is what you are describing and it makes perfect sense to me.
You could have 10,000 people sitting at rank 2800 all with different skillsets. The different combinations of people result in unique synergy that pushes a certain combination of players to higher levels. I’ll use the extreme example of 6 mercy mains @ 2800 SR vs a regular team @ 2800 SR. I doubt matchmaking can see that this isn’t a 50/50 win rate.
Unfortunately you need to separate the solo, groups, and full-stacks to solve that issue.
It all gets really cluttered, which is why they don’t have all the separation.
I still think at minimum you have a full-stack only comp mode. Solves the above problem.
sorry Wyoming, this is just to get your attention.
I remember quite a while ago Jeff said that figuring out the SR of a group is not as simple as adding up the SRs and dividing by the amount of players.
So, how is group SR calculated. Because if group SR is different from the average SR of all the group members, that just seems wrong, thank you.
Garison,
If group SR is calculated the correct way, I disagree with you. If not, I see your point.
I do think there should be a separate SR for 6 stack vs 6 stack. And they should call it Mini OWL
“For matchmaking groups, there’s actually two separate issues that we try to solve. The first issue is ‘How do we handle groups formed of players with different MMRs?’. With season 2 we prevented players of REALLY disparate Skill Rating from grouping, but there’s still some variance we need to handle. Over time we’ve tested different models to try and see what’s best and are now using what tested most accurately. (Hint: it’s not simply averaging the MMRs)”
Much of that post is now obsolete, so it has to be read very carefully, if at all.
However, what I expect to still be the case is that a group of 2000 + five 1000s is not considered to be equal to a group of six 1166s. It would not be predicted to be a 50/50 match. I’d want a fresh confirmation from Scott or Jeff to be sure.
What Scott’s post from two days ago indicates is that it doesn’t make a difference if that group of 2000 + five 1000s grouped intentionally or was thrown together by the matchmaker.
If you want to find the correct SR of a group, you must take the average. Any other method, and I’m going to #TeamCuthbert.
If they explained how they calculate group SR, I’d have to take it on a case by case basis.
And as an after thought, no matter which method they used to group calculate SR, I’m assuming they use the same method whether the team is a 6 stack or 6 solo querers.
here is my speculation of an way they might calculate team SR that isn’t simply an average.
So they’re saying that you need to play regularly to have a accurate SR. So if some people on the team haven’t played in a while, then they won’t necessarily contribute one-sixth of the their SR towards the total for the group. Seems kinda logical…
Did you fix the placement matches? I have been gold before but every time now that I do my placements I am always bronze, and I am not a trash player. I should be able to place higher if, for example, I win all ten games, and I shouldn’t get punished for what happened last season. Also, if I win all my placement matches, and get put in bronze, I am leaving this game. Not putting up with players that don’t know how to move forward.
I suspect that they throw every match every played into a machine learning algorithm, where only the current MMRs and the game result are input. From this, they can predict a win likelihood for any given match given the MMRs of the two teams. This would be in no way rigging, a la Cuthbert.
And that they only take into account recent inactivity when determining how much to move someone’s MMR/SR after the match.
But unless they say what they are doing, we are just speculating.
my point is their design goals they talk about here are out of touch with the goal of making competitive mode in overwatch competitive in the same way you would see in pro gameplay only less skilled obviously.
All that was discussed here is only part of it none of the rest of the details in how they calculate the as close to 50 % chance to win for each team is discussed here other than party size. There are other factors obviously. Specifically it was noticed that the matchmaker defintiely on the eye test makes it easier to group up now than before in terms of punishment players notice in their SR hits compared with solo or smaller party play at the asme SR. All that was said here again is a smokescreen about the parts that didnt change like you can use the same forumula for SR calculation but have the matchmaker pick different players because it now thinks of the win %tage different. So what changed isnt the forumula for SR its something related to party play in the math of how they arrive at that 50 % chance to win(and again obviously its not that they changed it wanting to match equal sized party as explained). Process of ellimination leaves thigns like did they have a more flexible hidden MMR with boosts if you party up(which adds weight on how strong the nemy players have to be to get to that 50 % win chance) or something that got either narrowed or the party boost removed thats the kind of thing which would have changed.
If you want to enjoy 80% - 90% win rate when you are the “best” of a category, you must also be willing to accept 10% - 20% win rate when you are the “worst” of a category. I think you will be hard pressed to find players who are fine with the latter.
To be honest, I once fell to Bronze in Season 3, and easily carried myself out by the end of season 4. It just takes a lot of Pharah Rockets… lots and lots of Pharah rockets.
have u ever cared of giving a thought that maybe you are in bronze rank all the time cuz u belong there and simply are not good enough to be in higher tier???
Would have been better if you gain more SR if your predicted chance of winning was >50% and gain less if it’s <50% since you’re beating the odds. Your system is unfair, doesn’t reward hard work and favors the better players
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