yea i do wonder sometimes
BUT … lol
you look at how people are nowadays… uhh
nvm
Your rank is dependent on lots of matches. You get different teammates every match.
Over the lots of matches your rank is determined, your teammates will not matter. They will be “good” or “bad” ones and their impact on you will average out over time, leaving your rank only in your hands.
Performance based rank isn’t necessary in this process and only brings more potential problems with it.
This match went on overtime. You held first point for almost 4 minutes.
How much closer is a QP-match supposed to be for it not being “trash matchmaking”?
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Classic error. I may get different players, i still get the same teammates. What do i mean by that? I may get ‘moronicdonkey74’ one game and ‘skilllessmonkey’ the next. Both still play like trash. They are essentially the same teammate
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The replay is there. They played Mei for 2 minutes without a single use of cryo.
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Thats 2 teammates, over 2 matches.
What part of “average over lots of matches” did you not understand?
Averages are meaningless when there are constants in every match lol
I am a constant but so are bad teammates. They may be different players but they are all the same.
If in 10 games there are 6 throwers and 3 leavers, only 1 in 10 games is actually fair.
Game is too hard to climb unless you literally play 100’s of hours a season. Even if you have a 55% WR which is insane btw. That means 11/20 games you win, 9/20 games you lose.
Thats a difference of 2. Meaning the difference between where you started and after 20 games would only be +40-50% of 1 division from where you began…. We are talking you started 20% on gold 1 and are now 67% on gold 1. After 20 games… after 4-5hrs of playing. Thats stupid.
Even if you play 100 games and win 55/100 (which is a crazy wr) you only have profited by 10 games which is only 2 divisions. 100 games. Insane wr. Only 2 divisions gained. You literally need to play thousands of games a season to make any noticeable impact on your rank. Most people will never actually get the chance to climb before the rank reset rolls around
Thousands… That is before you add leavers and throwers stats into the mix which tanks your win rate from 55% to more like 51% or sometimes you drop below 50-% to 48% etc
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Point is. The game is hard enough to climb as it is. Playing 15 mins to win a close game for the next to get a leaver and literally undo the last 30 mins is dumb
It makes people not want to play the game when you have to literally sweat your butt off to get a win just for the game to toss a loss your way next game and nothing you can do about it
The game should look at how you performed more. If you played really well despite having that leaver, it shouldnt be completely undoing the hard fought win you got previously
Marvel rivals already has a more rewarding ranked system despite it not being very competitive. If i play really well i go up 40-50 points for a win, if i lose im only losing 15-20. The game is actually respecting my time
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The closeness was brought about by me being op and the other dps being extremely weak and against mid enemies and not by actual equal closeness of skill and fight.
This being given a baggage instead of challenge which is what the garbage maker regularly does and ruins everyone’s experience including that other dps who got shredded .
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There’s no rigging involved, that’s just the qp matchmaker working as intended, prioritizing queue times over quality games, pairing a competent dps with one that’s never played the game before in a desperate attempt to make the matchmaking faster and still have the same average role mmr.
Team 4 is too incompetent to rig matches, the volatility is caused by bad matchmaking priorities and a nosediving playercount.
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not an ounce of relevancy? (off topic but i would love to hear your thought process on this one)…i want to see what happened in the game, which a scoreboard doesnt necessarily show…the amount of times you see people post scoreboards and then you watch the matches and what they claim is nowhere near what happens
im watching it now…and whoooooboy
so its not a mei issue…its not even a widow issue which they play for most of match…its a this person has no idea what theyre doing issue…frankly it looks like they havent played much OW period…cause even someone with basic bronze OW knowledge knows you dont stand in the choke point with a widow for example…and while this doesnt look like high level gameplay (i havent seen a first choke played like that by a team in ages - in general, not you specifically nerf) but even if it was LOW level, this person wouldnt belong there either 
they got a few elims so perhaps theyve played some fps before…but thats about it…terrible angles, standing perfectly still, no idea where flanks might be
so heres what that replay says to me that the scoreboard doesnt - this person does in fact not belong in that match…congratulations NerfThis…but they prob dont belong in the game at all based on their actual gameplay
is it a MM issue? i mean it could still be a wide match (and theres no such thing as a good “wide match”)…but after watching that i have a reasonable suspicion this is somebody letting somebody play on their account, ive done so on my account before and thats pretty much what it looked like…because forget skill discrepency…this person doesnt look like theyve ever played the game before (and thats a winter skin so the account def has play time in it which you would never guess from this game play)…also think theyre on console (or worse - using a weird peripheral)…a lot of pointer movement is perfectly horrizontal + slow turn around)
Edit - finally got to the mei portion - does the bronze method of playing mei involve holding left click and just running forward into the enemy team? cause i think even they would find that insulting
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It’s very capabale of finding the heaviest anchors to hold everyone where they are 
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That’s how team balancing works in conjunction with engagement based matchmaking and it’s part of the reason why modern competitive gaming is basically pointless unless you play tournament.
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matchmaking is complete garbage and rigged BUT MEI is there to provide utility, her damage is trash. also, while people were focusing mei , team could eliminate other team. Replay required to analyze.
Also, matchmaking was trash when that one was in charge. FIRED.
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Seems like the matchmaker did make a good match then.
What if the Mei was grouped with someone else? You can’t have closeness of skill already.
What you’re asking for is impossible.
This isn’t a thing.
And even if it was, people getting pissed even if they have very close matches doesn’t sound very engaging.
People who claim this really are beyond delusional.
They are not. They are even more likely to be in the enemy team. It is statistically impossible to only effect you negativly, hence the averaging out.
There aren’t this many. Well, maybe in bronze, idk.
Gotta say, this characterization/description did make me smile 
So the question becomes: why was that person put in this game by the MM?
Agreed, you can’t predict how someone is going to play every single game, but arguably you can predict this. If it was a ‘little brother’ those accounts need to be punished way more harshly (account sharing is already not allowed by policy). If it’s a ‘it’s just QP’ then maybe it shouldn’t be ‘just QP’ or there needs to be another moreserious mode (which the community has been begging for since OW1).
At the end of the day though this is what people are talking about when a lot of us complain about the matchmaker. You get put in infuriating situations and unless you’re willing to play like it’s the last comp match you will ever play in your life, you just lose. And a MM that puts people in those situations often sucks hard and actively drives towards all kinds of toxic outcomes.
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I’ve never seen you play Hanzo before. Like that mop up after your dragon arrow missed.
Okay, I’ve watched the replay. You made some spectacular plays. Do you often play Hanzo like this?
I think you’re upset you weren’t able to cinch the win sooner, but if I played Widow like you’re playing Hanzo here, I wouldn’t care about winning.
Still looks like a good game to me. 
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its like i was alluding to above…
a person not belonging in the match doesnt necessarily mean the MM did a bad job…the only info available to it is MMR…
the only thing i can say about the replay is that whoever that was playing def doesnt have the skill level of the others in the lobby (the ones i watched anyway)…so if its not a wide match or somebody else playing an account or some other infrequent occurence (and im VERY suspicious based on the gameplay itself), then yes it messed up
What exactly am I supposed to be seeing in this image? Or am I just supposed to point at the Mei and laugh because she had a bad game, and pretend that’s never happened to me? 
Well he is a tad old now trailer of me on hanzo 
I mostly two trick tracer or hanzo but i rarely swap even between them once I pick.
I do play better when I’m in flow, today I did make a tad more mistakes than I wanted.
I know the mistakes I made too if I had kinda played safe on second and third point last fights maybe we could have won.
But i don’t really mind win or lose as long as the matches were actually equal fights instead of this disparity.
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