I have been watching OWL , and genji is never ever used in the matches like ever , even if that be his one of the best maps but nope echo is better.Dive is played a lot but where is genji , people use brig in OWL which counters tracer but tracer is still good to be even played against her counters.People in these forums be asking mei needs buff,brig needs buff even though they are used a lot in OWL.
People just keep telling genji is fine when he is NOT.He needs to be really buffed or his counters needs to be nerfed aka more than half of the hero roster, so i will leave it for you to decide which is better nerf many heroes or buff genji.Genji doesn’t even fill his niche now ,even heroes like symmetra are used for teleporting but what to even use genji for Dive got far more powerful and safer heroes then why even use genji.
Hi welcome to overwatch. Where the hero you like gets edged out by a better more powerful hero consistently every season. Do not be surprised it happened to soldier, pharah most recently, and McCree.
This also applies to literally all supports as well as nerfs are too much half the time.
Frankly genji does what he is supposed to do and it is only a matter of time before a genji 2.0 is put on the game.
Honestly, OWL is another world. While tank meta on ladder is dominated by Rein, they play Orisa more than him. Sombra is 2nd least picked hero in ladder and also 2nd worst in winrate and she’s 5th most played hero in OWL. Bap is the worst on ladder and he’s often played in OWL. Echo is extremely popular in OWL but right in the middle in both picks and wins on ladder. Zarya is barely played in OWL but Winston and D.va are quite popular. So balancing around OWL is not a good idea, cuz bad ladder heroes will be nerfed then and good ladder heroes will be buffed.
Yep, or at least some internal rebalancing for either him (he needs less blade for more buffed rest of kit, and Moira needs more tight aim for higher damage.)
Sure as hell deflect needs to be made better.
Obviously, not, since they never really countered him. He only got his first counters with Moira / Brig being added.
His pick rate was totally unaffected by which other heroes were meta before that, therefore, he didn’t have any effective counters up to that point.
His niche is now Bladebot. Which sucks, but works for MOST of the ladder.
People saying genji’s gonna come back and be strong when dive comes back LOOOL. Right on the money when i predicted he would be replaced in dive. This was before echo though so i predicted either a tracer sombra/tracer doom as the go to dive dps
Seriously? You really think Genji is in a bad spot? Because you dont see him in OWL that much?
Take a look at the real OW and see his pickrates and winrates. Then look at Sombra and Bastion. Either you are EXTREMELY biased or you havent look deep enough mate.
This is a dumb argument brought up only when people talk about buffing the undesirables. Yes, Sombra and Bastion are weak. Yes, other heroes deserve changes aswell. No, Sombra and Bastion mains aren’t the only people who care about their character.
Genji isn’t good due to the major buff Armor got when 222 came out. Ontop of the fact that 222 is the only legitimate way to play the game.
If you want Genji to be good again, nerf Armor back to what it used to be and play Open Que.
I remember when people said genji was gonna be good in 2/2/2, then after that 2 shield, then after that when dive makes a return. Boy were they right amiright.
One of the worst picks in gm next to torb thats trash, thats just one step short of being sombra, bastion tier. For a hero that majority consider high skill thats a pretty sad state. Tracer which he’s most often compared to is in a healthier state.
His niche starts to form around diamond masters, so only 15 percent of the playerbase can play him and do well i suspect solely because nano + blade is a thing. then at plat its back to ok and in gold its meh again.
So this means to in order to play genji you need to be 1) be top 14% of playerbase -1% of gm+, so 14% 2) have an ana crutch 3) be ok with being useless without ur ult.
To be honest if people just decided to stop shooting at genji while he was deflecting instead of nerfing deflect he would be in a way better position, heck even bastions counter him if they learned to lay off the m1 in turret form for a second. It made the ability darn near useless especially with prefer the shooter input lag.
People still shoot deflect 2020? The most I usually see shoot into deflect is once and thats when i time it. People just take their time to reload or say hello before unloading their coom on me.
Exactly they made the ability pretty much useless, legit dang near impossible to deflect junkrat primary and mines, still taking damage from deflecting fire strikes from rhein, input lag and prefer the shooter has let cree flashes and ana darts to travel past it (has happened to me and necros on multiple occasions).
I dont understand why they dont try to mitigate or fix these issues. Mitigate as in either fix the issue or buff another portion of his kit to make up for the fact that they dont know how to fix anything correctly, wall climb still has its issues and people have talked about that for multiple years now, dash still leaves you stuck at doorways in which you wanted to travel through.
Honestly another thing ive seen is i will be in the face of cree do some damage to bait out flash and then dash the animation showed me traveling past him he flashes and it reverted me to being back in front of him. Imo dash needs to allow damage/cc invulerability from point a to point b and goes away directly once you reach point b cant tell ya how many times ive dashed while in a team fight and died mid dash due to rng crossfire that wasnt even directed at me.
I mean, Genji is fine in whatever rank YOU play in.
Honestly, you should be happy he isn’t played in OWL, it means he won’t be nerfed. I was happy when Ashe wasn’t touched in OWL and now she’s being played so I’m worried about her future.
There are just some things i want changed idrc how.
make it really hard for mccree to flash to floor/sides/top if you are actually in his face, you deserve the deflect or at least it shouldnt be an option to flash you in that range
cover his feet when deflecting its just dumb that it doesnt cover his feet.
stop making things go through his deflect if the enemys are close, make his deflect thicker so things dont go through it all the time.
his deflect covers 180 degrees so why tf does a hog looking at a 45 degrees with hook connect. fix it.
deflect should be considered in favor the shooter too or at least no favor the shooter while deflecting. A genji predicts the shot and gets punished by doing nothing for 1.25 secs if he fails. A shooter should also be trying to anticipating the deflect in the same way genji is anticipating for the shot/deflectable cd.
when deflect goes off on cd even though the shot registered, if the deflect is pressed the deflect should instantly pop no delay its fair considering he has to both time and aim it.
Its also hilarious because isnt genji supposed to be able to counter hitscan to a certain degree? And beam heroes counter him in which deflect doesnt effect beams but does effect projectiles, yet they nerf deflect which again i will state has 0 effect on his counters, it doesnt even stop brigg sheild bash which should count as a melee but no one has ever brought that up they only mention sigmas boulder which i dont think should be deflectable because of the sheer weight of a boulder being thrown at someone.
Genji is a weird case because he was only once directly nerfed back in 2016 when blade duration was reduced from 8 to 6 seconds and triple jump bug removed.
Since then, he was dominant in the dive meta (entire 2017 and early 2018) and received only buffs – yet people complain he’s UP.
I wouldn’t call myself Genji hater but maybe it’s just because some people were so used to him being OP in dive meta that they now can’t handle him being balanced? Remember: he didn’t receive any nerfs after ult duration nerf, and only “became trash” after Moira and Brig were added.
replaced by widow and junk towards the end of peak dive
game got dpscreep, healcreep, CCcreep, deployables added like imo field more shields, more unfavorable matchups, moira.
so an average genji engagement before you had to burn through 16.25-20hps on avg if the target was orbed or healed by lucio and it was considered a bit hard by players of the past skill level. Nowadays that is easily doable for the avg ranked genji. Nowadays to kill someone as genji you need to wait out or outplay avg 2 cc, burn through 55 avg hps, wait for imo fields and other deployables. Used to OP gAnji Btw. Thats the avg flanker engagement dinner course, the one that happens in 100 percent of matches btw.
Years after dive: 2, man its dat ganji in dive amiright. lol your avg genji player has already forgotten about the old dive comp feeling of the past.