I agree with this dude. My friend plays a lot of genji so this would help him also.
Genji needs this with all the CC 
How about the opposite - if Rock and Bash ignore Deflect, which is barely different from DM, why does it block Reinās melee? It doesnāt deflect beams, just like DM, why donāt we make this interation consistent and let Rein smack throught Deflect? A nice QoL change for a tank hero.
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Georgeā¦ this is forums manā¦ u cant ask for dps buffs
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For this post, they are going to give Reinhardt Swift Strike, Reflect and Dragonblade
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I would be ok if Gengu and Dva would be anle to destroy the Sifma boulderā¦ when it comes to Brigs shieldbbashā¦ no, deflect should not work against it, deflect does not affect Charge or rocket punch what are basically the same gameplay-wise
honestly, i kinda expect them to make sigma rock just break, i think that would make more sense and make both parties happy. imagining a sigma trying to stun a genji and his anna gets smacked with it i would cry so hard.
He redirects the blow. It makes sense that he reflects it.
I donāt think this would make genji any better but I think it is a step in the right direction since heroes like Doomfist Echo and tracer can do what genji does but better.
I think they should go back to the genji during 2020 genji meta BUT tone down the firerate because it turned him into a tank buster
I honestly would be fine though if they just increased shuriken damage to 30
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Tbh I do like Genjiās deflect being a high risk high reward kind of ability. Being able to get crazy value against teams liks Orisa-Roadhog-Bastion-Junkrat-Zenyatta-Baptiste or even against ultimates but getting countered by beams and abilities that make sense to counter it.
I mean, the sword is like a wall, deflecting bullets back. Stopping punches and not being able to reflect beams considering he doesnāt stop moving the swords.
So a giant heavy object to the face like a rock or a shield does make a lot of sense to go through as the damage is not from projectile hitting you but rather from it exploding on you or bashing you.
I do think Genji struggles a bit with his deflect but itās mostly due to heroes like Junkrat or Bastion see less play, and most tanks and support not focusing enough on projectile damage.
When only 3-4/8 tanks have projectiles (2 of them see no play) and 4/7 support can both heal and damage at the same time with projectiles (I included Ana here) then itās pretty obvious Genji will be less effective considering the amount of damage he usually deflect is mostly 2 shots from dps.
This change wouldnāt have to be bad but you do need to take in mind shield bash comes from the charge family with charge,rocket punch and dash. If you make deflect good against it, you make shied bash bad against deflect, you make every one of them weak against deflect.
For rock I just think it wouldnāt really make a lot of sense visually seeing the rock fly back considering how big and heavy it isā¦ And the fact deflect comes from the time based shield family with matrix and kinetic grasp so you do need to think about that as well.
Not saying itās not possible as deflect for example does block Reinās hammer while matrix doesnāt but it makes it a bit more special for better or worseā¦
Honestly, a parry might do some wonders for him. I think itād best work for someone like Sigmaās rock if anything.
I still dont understand how DVA nor Genji cant negate a stupid simple rock but can negate ultimates, bullets, projectiles, rockets, lava, etcā¦
yea but it isnāt meant to be
It is meant to give genji breathing room and protect him
tracer has recall for a similar purpose
reaper has wraith
Doomfist has all of his abilities
Echo can fly who else did I mention? I donāt remember but
the hitbox is wonky
if you want realism you can deflect tank shots and widow shots
widow is hitscan
if a bullet went that fast 1. it would burn up
2. it would make no sense to be able to deflect it
tank shots are giant bullets essentially but explosive
and he can deflect it
same with lava
and a black whole
a BLACK WHOLE
using that logic it makes sense for him to deflect a rock and a rocket boosted shield bash.
also it isnāt high risk high reward
it is fairly bad and while its cool to deflect sfuff like gravs it isnāt consistent
due to the hitbox problems I said
Kind of hard to tell considering the devs donāt really publish any clear info about abilitiesā¦
But the fact deflect returns damage and not just absorb it kind of shows it more than an escape ability.
A kit of a hero should enable it to do what it should do.
Tracer has very little hp but a lot of mobility ,she supposed to run around after targets and risk her life. But because of her low hp, if she does hit she will a lot of time die. Recall makes it so she can negate aoe effects that usually should be only a bit of pressure while letting her keep on doing her job.
Considering her mobility sheās a great hero against support heroes which have very little damage but some sort of an escape tool like fade or guardian angel.
Reaper? Heās a surprise attack hero. The reason for his old burst and orbs is you need to get behind an enemy and then surprise it with a quick 280 combo to the head killing every squishy but Bastion with one shot.
No reason to let him teleport without moving so everyone can hit him unless heās behind, and give him such a high burst +close range with healing from kills if he shouldnāt be about securing kills by surprise. Wrath form is just there to make sure heās not punished too hard by a failed attempt considering unlike other heroes he lacks the mobility. Same for Sombra btw (suprise+escape)
For Doomfist the situation is a bit weirderā¦ Heās more of the Hanzo/Widowmaker of the close range meaning he needs to get high value very quickly. He risks his life for higher value. But considering he was based around 2d fighting games like moral combat his kit makes sense.
You use one-two abilities to secure kills and depending on the situation using the other/s to either escape or continue putting pressure.
For Echo her flight is an engagement tool helping her come close enough for her combo but I agree considering her short cool down that itās alsu used as an escape tool.
But the thing with Genji is that if something is his escpae tool, itās the dash not the deflectā¦ Deflect is only in front meaning you have to look at the target and a lot of things can punish it, while abilities like recall,wrath form or translocate donāt provide any weakness considering they are meant to escape with.
Not to mention this ability also gives you damage which means itās much more useful as an engagement tool against a high damage team while dash gives you a quick escape while also damaging your opponent doing so.
If deflect was an escape tool it wouldnāt have returned the damage and wouldnāt be only for the frontā¦ Every ability got a reason to exist and thereās no reason to give it the random damage benefit and the random no front cover harm. Especially when in the trailer you can see him using it to deflect Hanzoās arrows offensivly, in the hero cards heās a counter to Bastion,Widow & Hanzo all have high damage and overall you can get ton of vaue using defect offensivly against a high damage team like Orisa-Roadhog-Bastion-Junkrat-Zernyatta-Baptiste rather than just using it to get away ignoring the giant potential of damage.
I just explain why it works like it works.
Hit box being problematic is a different subject.
I personally agree as a lot of times I use deflect and stuff still hit me but who knows maybe itās something with the internet of either me or the enemyā¦
Thereās a different between realism to game logic.
Itās like how in a cartoon if a hero has super powers it makes sense but if someone should have died by something and he didnāt people will start asking questions.
The game isnāt realistic for sure but it does have a lot of logic that the game has. like how shields block projectiles,hit scan and beams but not melee.
Or how 2 charge attacks with stun, stun each other.
for Genji.
charge attacks and beams go through deflect.
Rock is a bit of a harder considering itās a special kind of ability but I think the safest comparision of rock should be earth shatter or tbh maybe even beams.
It goes through everything but shields and has aoe.
And then I explained the logic of the ability not by real life standards but rather what the devs went with.
If itās small and has momentum youād jump of Genjiās swords. If not you"ll be stopped.
Beams just stand there- and Genjiās swords donāt stop moving, letting the beams go past.
rock specifically works by impact=breaks, itās a big fragile thing. One small accurate touch wouldnāt be enough to redirect it like any other smaller objects.
If you ask me overall how I play deflect when I use Genji.
I get in, start using my secondary on a target to put pressure. In the middle in order to be unexpected I use my deflect catching the enemy by surprise and also earning me some time to get healed while doing so, and then if needed continuing to attack. Finishing the job with a dash to the next target.
If Iām getting low I just dash away.
A lot of players use dash as an engagement tool which is possible, but then you take away an element of surise, the opportunity to chase some heroes and overall your finishing touch.
Genji is a dps not tank, you shouldnāt be responsible for getting space.
If you find yourself in a situation where you need your dash to get in then your tanks donāt do their job properly or you picked the wrong playstyle for the missionā¦
Now Itās important to mention every situation is different. Against heroes like Mccree for example the flash bang is important so you want to try deflecting it as fast as you can, some heroes just donāt do a lot of damage so using deflect as an escape tool for them can work fairly well.
But itās important to take in mind deflect main use isnāt the escape but rather the damage.
Like how in theory Moira can use fade in order to chase a target but the main use of the ability is to run away.
I just think overall encouraging Genji to be a general hero using every ability he has for every situation is just a bit upsetting considering there are so many other heroes who are much more specific to a jobā¦
Iām not against using deflect as an escape tool as long that you keep in mind thatās not its primary use and so it has weaknesses in order to put more importance on that.
hello mr streamer man.
I love how you say itās a QoL change even though itās technically a buff.
Yet, such change is not going to make Genji any better than he is right now. Heās still gonna be trash. Difference is, with this change, Genji players could be a free moving trash instead of a stunned one. In that sense, it is a QoL change.
what do you want the bullets to just disappear or something?
They made matrix like that.
When they make a hero they revolve the concept around a job or a cool ability, not just random stuff.
Deflect is an amazing anti high damage tool.
Matrix, shields,wrath form- all make bullets disapear. No reason not to give Genji something else.
They could have easily gave him a smoke bomb if what they wanted is escaping or Sombraās old duration camoflage.
I mean, Sombra was released later so no reason not to take the concept before.
They chose deflect for a reason.
I donāt think thereās any ability in the game that has a secondary effect they donāt plan on using it.
I think you babe QoL change confused with buff
matrix isnāt a sword and isnāt called deflect
also matrix is much larger
more consistent
and doesnāt have a wierd hitbox
But who said they had to make deflect what it is.
What iām trying to say is that itās not a mistake deflect returns projectile, and the fact deflect overall is a taking a sword and returning projectiles.
They could have given him any other ability that does the same thing but not returning projectiles.
when you think about a ninja you think about shurikens sure, wall cimb sure but deflect isnāt the first thing to come to mind.
They chose it specifically for what it does.
no its not
genji is a cyborg ninja
he has shurikens
he has a sword
hes a cyborg so why not have him deflect bullets
letās look at the 3 ability denials
Deflect
DM
and grasp
Deflect is the smallest I donāt know genjiās height but it only protects the very front of genji however it Deflects the projectile and will turn it against genjiās oponents (though the hitbox is wonky)
Grasp is the second largest it is by no means small but isnāt huge
it to compensate though turns projectiles into temporary shield
Defence Matrix is the largest at 10 meters (should be 15 blizzard) and it just flat out deletes the projectile or ult or whatever
all 3 of these are meant to be more defensive however genjiās can be used offensively for flashy plays or whatever