Genji mains, help!

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im a mercy main/support main and i wanna learn genji, i need all the tips, tricks and secrets you got!

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just spam I need healing and you will have Geni down perfect.

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you need to know where the enemys is and if you are able to make an attack without dying, and always go after healers when they are alone so you can take them out fast.

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well. 3 general things.

you’re a flanker. so your general purpose is to flank, get kills and run away. But you’re not invincible. Stay with your team. Have awareness of everything. When you see a low hp hero or when your team is calling a target, dive in with them and kill that hero.

for mechanics, practice dragonblade combo since it needs crazy level of awareness as well as timing. One missed dash and the ultimate is basically over. Also practice your combo. You potentially have the capability of triple shuriken headshot and a dash to deal above 200 damage instantly. Add a melee to that and even if you don’t deal headshot, it could be an instant 150 ( or more depending on your attacks) damage to your targets. Shoot, then dash in behind them and melee. Preserve your deflect and have dash management. Never dash in when you have no way out. Otherwise you’re dead meat.

And finally, pick him when he’s viable. When your team is dive. When the enemy has heroes that you’re good against. Genji isn’t a 100% viable hero (regardless of what this forum says, there are lots of cases that other heroes can actually be more viable).

To learn these things better, i recommend watching professional or top 500 genji mains. Shadder2k, shadowburn, Agilities, etc. There are many of them.

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I don’t think Genji is even worth learning right now. We will soon have 2 healers who can easily 1v1 flankers so why even play a flanker if you can’t do your main job.

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Spam spacebar ,X and M2 and you should AT LEAST end up in Shanghai dragons

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I suggest you watch these pro genji players:

  1. Shadder2k (recommended):
    His play style is very easy to learn and master just like genji’s voiceline: I will strike the enemies where they do not expect
    You have to literally punish the opposing players when they are isolated/out of position. No matter his counters. Fot that you need to master in his cqc mechanics.

  2. Shadowburn: Well known OWL LEAGUE player is definitely a must watch. Watch the Philadelphia fusion matches. His playstyle his very good to start off as a genji player i.e; poke to charge. You really don’t have to engage in a 1v1 duel but rather strike down low hp and keep poking (dont have to get greedy for the elim) to basically charge up your ult. The dragonblade is the main component you have to master in this type of playstyle and keep focusing on charging it up as fast as you can just by dealing insane burst damage/poking.

There are definitely many more pros like necros and agilities and dreamkazper who play aggressive but i really don’t watch them. But hey you can watch them all and get all the help you need! :wink:

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Always right click or sometimes left click before using any of his abilities

Right click+dash+right click+ melee quickly

Should kill most squshies within his right click range

Also if you’re behind someone right clicking every shurikens into their head and melee would make them lose 190+ health

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Agree, its gotten (and going to be) incredibly harder for Genji to get a lot of value. At best, you can play as a Dragonblade Bot, get ult, and try get kills.

Flanking is super hard now. Better of learning Sombra.

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Arikadou in youtube, can be good start to learn genji

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Copypasted from my response to a similar question

-Who should be my primary target when playing as genji?

At the start of fights stick with your team and spam to farm ult. Try to keep track of enemies hp so you can quickly dash in for a finisher. Once your tanks initiate help them focus fire, make sure that you get dash resets. If you see an enemy healer or dps separated from their team you can go for a 1v1, if you’re confident in your 1v1 skills against that hero, try not to waste your dash just to close the gap though, you want to use it as a finisher or mid-fight to dodge abilities/bullets or to chase them down if they have mobility.

-When do i use my primary fire and when do i use my secondary fire as Genji?

Generally use secondary when you’re close enough to hit 2-3 shurikens. You can also use it when you’re quickly peeking corners.

-How should i use Genji’s ultimate?

You generally want to use it to turn an even fight in your favor (this goes for most heroes), it’s rarely worth it to use it when you’re down a couple of teammates, or if you’re up some picks think about whether you can win the fight without using the ult or not.
The best way to get value out of the blade is to use it while the enemy team is distracted, if you try to start a fight by blading and dashing in you will likely get killed/cc’d before you can even kill anyone. Try to blade at the same time your tanks are initiating, also coming in from a flank they’re not expecting helps.

GM Genji main btw

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target immobile supports like zen and ana
if there is an enemy below 50hp dash in and right after dash out
dive with your winston and dva
dive enemies that are out of position (no tanks or healers close to them
charge blade is important
learn how to slash+dash
right click is better than left click imo
right click headshot and dash is like 216 damage

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Left and right click both have their uses, no point in using right click at range.
Full headshot rmb+dash combo is super unreliable and it’s unlikely that you’ll ever actually land that in a game.

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I’m no Genji main, but the forums tell me he is super OP, and by hitting the q button you win the game… Kinda like an instant nuke. Oh and don’t bother about aim either, just hold m1 and keep jumping until u build q.

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I can tell you’re not a genji main because there are a LOT of things that can shut down a blade, even just a boop can deny a dash reset and make the blade completely ineffective.

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Fellow Mercy main learning Genji! (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ r/OverwatchUniversity and possibly r/GenjiMains can help you a bit. Here’s some stuff off the top of my head:

  • The most important thing is to PRACTICE. I have 100 hours on Genji over two accounts and I’m still not amazing with him and am learning new tricks (although 85 of those hours were from QP, so this might not apply to you as I was playing for fun and not to improve). It’s okay to think “wow I’m garbage” when you’re playing as him. Don’t listen to these forums when they say he’s easy to play because he really isn’t unless you’re already more skilled than everyone else in your games to begin with. Sometimes you will die stupid deaths, sometimes you will almost kill someone but fail because you missed three shuriken bursts in a row, sometimes you will ult and get immediately shut down, and all of that is okay. It’s all a part of the learning experience. (✿◕ ‿ ◕✿)
    *Also, Genji has become a little weaker recently. Sombra, Moira, and soon Brig all make your life hell. So you’ll be swapping off Genji more than you would have a couple months ago because of this. He’s not viable in every situation anymore, but he’s still a very strong hero!

  • Primary fire (M1) for long range, secondary fire (M2) for close range. In mid range it depends on the hitbox size of the thing you’re trying to hit. M1 for skinny targets like Mercy, M2 for fat targets like Road. General rule of thumb is if you can’t hit more than two shurikens from your M2 then use M1. This is because M2 has a faster firing rate so it deals more DPS, but only if you can land your shurikens. How well you aim with these is what separates okay Genjis from the good ones (okay Genjis will finish off low targets, good Genjis will help to get them low to finish).

  • Practice your combos! You can cancel M1/M2 into any ability (dash, deflect, ult activation, wallclimb) and melee. You can melee at the end of a dash. You can cancel Dragonblade swings and Deflect with dash, and I think you can cancel a Dblade swing with Deflect as well (I don’t remember/haven’t tested that though). This means you can:
    *M1 -> dash -> melee (gap closer)
    *M2 -> dash -> melee (standard close-range combo)
    *Put a M2 between the dash and melees (e.g. M2 -> dash -> M2 -> melee)
    *Dblade slash -> dash
    *There’s also a unique combo: dash -> M2 and melee immediately after. You can finish firing your shurikens and melee as the dash animation completes. It takes a bit of timing and I haven’t used it in my games much but it’s worth noting (although I’m not sure if it’s intentional/may be patched).
    *You can also wallclimb while unsheathing Dragonblade, and dash or wallclimb right as it ends to cancel the sheathing animation.

  • Deflect is a super versatile! You can use it to protect yourself and teammates, or to deny a powerful ability (Flashbang) or ult (Grav), or you can redirect all incoming fire onto a single point (e.g. If a McCree being pocketed by a Mercy is attacking you, you can Deflect his shots and his Flashbang onto the Mercy instead of back at the McCree as Mercy is a bigger priority to kill).

  • Going with the above, it’s important to get a general idea of when everybody has their ults ready (so you can prepare to Deflect that Grav and get a nice juicy teamwipe) and when people will use their ablities.

  • In lower ranks where people don’t try to play around Deflect you can use it a few seconds within seeing someone as they will blow all of their CDs the second they spot you. Once you get better and play with better players though this changes. Deflect is a gamechanger when used well so people will try to pressure you into using it early as you become vulnerable without it. This means you have to outplay the people trying to outplay you and save it for when yoi think they think it’s safe to try and Flashbang or Helix you. Genji is like Zarya in that you have to play a million mindgames within the game (which is why I find him fun!) so be prepared for that.

  • Genji is a very ability-reliant hero so don’t commit to an engagement unless you have dash available and Deflect available within a few seconds (3-4). You can make do without Deflect if the other team doesn’t have stuns available (to stop you in your tracks and instantly kill you) but you absolutely need dash. It’s the single most important ability you have. Your sustained DPS output is low, and your general DPS output is even worse if you don’t have dash available to put into your combos. It’s also your safest escape (wallclimbing is slow and those with better aim can track and finish you if you tried escaping too late and are low on health). So basically never engage if this is on cooldown. Just hang back and poke and wait for it to be available before going back in to do Genji stuff.

  • Speaking of Genji stuff, you are NOT a Tracer. You’re not meant to constantly harass the backline and get out of it unscathed (unless you have a Zen orb on you, in which case go for it because that thing + Discord orb turns you into a monster). You’re an opportunistic finisher who secures kills that would have otherwise gotten away (which is why so many people hate Genji :P). Don’t hang around in the enemy backline all game. It’s perfectly okay to stay with your team and only go in when you see someone vulnerable to pressure/kill them. If the other team is vulnerable to dive (say, 76/Pharah/Orisa/Road/Mercy/Zen), then yeah you can go harass them and make their lives miserable. But if they’re something like McCree/Junk/Rein/D.Va/Moira/Lucio then you’ll find yourself playing more safely than usual. I don’t know if I explained this well because I get mixed up on what I’m doing as well but it gets more clear the more you play.

  • Remember the 121 health rule: if you’re at or below 121 health then start playing more safely and get some healing. This is because a lot of stuff can one-shot you at 120 health (Helix, Widow bodyshot, direct Pharah/Junk rocket or grenade, etc.).

  • Contrary to popular beleif, Genji is NOT a carry hero. He is absolutely, 100% reliant on his team to support him to carry out his job. Unless you’re 1000SR lower than you should be don’t expect to carry. Genji thrives when he has Zen orbs, nanoes, damage boosts, Zarya bubbles, and D.Va/Winston diving buddies with him. He can’t do much if his team doesn’t support him. (Also since you’re a Mercy main, pocketing an ulting Genji who knows what he’s doing can turn a single kill into 2, 3, or 4; healing makes a huge difference with him because of his mobility and tiny hitbox.)

  • Fun fact: a damage boosted nano boosted ulting Genji one-shots 200hp heroes with a single swing (I think it’s 216 damage per swing). It’s gimmicky, but fun! And it works so I can’t really complain… about being on the receiving end of it. :frowning:

  • Dragonblade is a huge topic that I’m not gonna cover right now. I’ll probably edit it in later once I can get to my PC.

  • Somebody made a pretty comprehensive (albeit old) Genji guide that helped me a lot. I’ll see if I can find it and edit it in here.

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Practice aiming with lucio and genji since their way of aiming is almost identical. Dash before you ult because you get a free dash from ult. when ulting Slash then when it counts as a hit Dash for an animation cancel. The only other thing I have is try and use dash mainly as mobilty and not for killing outside of ult because dash only does around 80 or 50 dmg.

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thank you so much for all this info, ill keep it all noted, and read it over a bunch more!

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No problem! :smiley: Also, I found that Genji guide but I only have it in a Google doc. I’ll try to find a way to link it.

EDIT: I’m bad with docs but see if this works: docs.google.c0m/document/d/1i3kTJVVJCmLPnAfAff3HnBCV2oSCEudnFzK8iRNC9fg/edit?usp=sharing (replace the 0 with an “o”).

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Get low setting and high frame rate an low input lag so you can aim and turn quickly. And i recommend to have a higher sentsivity. Thats really important. Get also get a mouse with a button on the side for your melee. So you can rmb and melee really quickly.