By which I mean that his ability Deflect counters aim. It doesn’t negate aim, like D.va’s Defence Matrix or Sigma’s Kinetic Grasp. It counters it; it uses it against you. The more likely you are to hit Genji, the more likely he is to Deflect that damage back at you or your team.
Letting Deflect counter or nullify all hitscan shots, all melee attacks and any non-deployable projectile except Sigma’s Accretion means that he is basically unkillable for a maximum of 2 seconds every 8 seconds. This leads to the bad habit of Genji’s using their Deflect to act as a second tank, which can provide a lot of value under the right circumstances.
The only way to deal with this is to be clairvoyant, use area of effect attacks or use beams.
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Since no one is clairvoyant, we can skip that point.
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Using area of effect projectiles against Genji is risky. If you don’t shoot it far enough away from the Deflect hitbox then that AoE damage is directed back at you or at your team. It’s not a reliable method of dealing with him.
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This leaves beam weaponry. The heroes with these kind of attacks are Winston and Zarya in the Tank role, Mei and Symmetra in the Damage role and Moira in the Support role. Since Echo has her beam on cooldown and almost requires the enemy to be below 50% HP I’m not including her.
This means that to effectively deal with Genji (and not just survive him) your options are: 2 Tanks, 2 DPS or 1 Support.
Compare this to the options you have against Pharah: 5 Tanks, 11 DPS or 4 Supports.
The 15 November Genji nerfs do not deal with what actually makes Genji hard to deal with; Deflect. The nerfs won’t make the enemy Genji less annoying, it will only make your teams Genji less effective.
tl;dr:
The problem with Genji is Deflect.
Deflect counters aim as a skill.
Deflect is a problem due to the limited amount of options against it.
I’m tired of being forced to play Moira to deal with Genji
Addendum:
No, my team of randoms is not going to help me with the Genji.
Yes, I’m forced to play Moira if I want to see something more than the spawn room.
Also, if you think Deflect is fine, you probably like fighting Marauders in Doom: Eternal.
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you think deflect automatically send your bullets back to you or something ? 
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trigger discipline is a skill
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You do know that the hard part about aiming is click timing, right?
Yes, let me retract the projectile I shot 200 ms ago.
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Nice try, there’s projectile characters in the game (since it looks like you don’t know, projectile means it has a travel time, which means deflect can be up between the projectile being fired and it connecting).
As someone who play pharah a lot, I often hit deflect unintentionally due to slow projectile speeds and deflects short cooldown.
Splashing next to deflect is often risky since the deflect hitbox isn’t properly represented in the game (probably because it would look a tad ridiculous).
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if the projectile hits you then you just got outplayed.
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unless you are shooting him from 15m+, most projectiles are fast enough to not be reactively deflected. also if you are pharah and you are getting killed/taking damage to genji deflecting your rockets you are simply being outplayed
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if you’re pharah, it is deserved and skillfully deflect if it hits you in the air. That’s fair.
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okay, and what character do you play? and riddle me this, if anti-skill why is he 3 stars?
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Never said that, but I might accidentally kill a teammate just because a genji happened to deflect.
Never said it did, issue is not him killing me, but him killing my teammate with one of the best tanking abilities in the game.
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nah, best-tanking ability? The power block on doom is better. 
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My 3 most played are Ana, Widowmaker and Hanzo. I’ve mostly been playing Kiriko since she came out.
I like your description of genji but fail to see the problem. I don’t even play genji outside of arcade, but I feel he’s easy enough to deal with as DPS/Support. bait his deflect.
Moira melts genji, I happily go 1v1 against him if I know he doesn’t have ult.
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okay, sounds like a lack of trigger discipline. you’re playing characters where deflect if used appropriately sucks for you 
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in that instance, you were outplayed. if genji is playing aggressive and you know he has deflect, shooting slow projectiles towards him from a distance is simply bad play.
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This is your argument? Really?
Factually incorrect.
It literally has same cooldowns as sigmas suck, with addition of it also doing damage.
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This is objectively wrong.
Genji blocks all CC and all damage except for Sigma Rock, he also returns 100% of the damage.
Doomfist blocks can still be CC’d, blocks 80% damage and uses the absorbed damage to do slightly more damage and CC with his punch.
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it’s a skill to stop shooting him when he deflects, too
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And thats why he sucks rn innit
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