oh no this isnt directed at you. dont worry dude. im just saying i saw other people making suggestions such as like lets say this setup example here:
Genji shuriken speed to 20m/s
Genji no longer has deflect.
Genji no longer has dash reset.
Genji dragonblade is no longer dmg boosted and nerfed to 50 dmg.
Genji has a cooldown of wall climb and double jump to 5s.
With all these nerfs, genji can now have 29dmg!
Something like that is ridiculous hearing the other side making all of those insane nerf suggestions like that for something so small in helping a hero. thats what i mean
I would rather have non dmg bootable blade and a better base kit than what we have now.
i cant unfortunately accept that because we’re instead creating another problem for him in higher ranks again. its like yay we fixed his base kit which im happy about, but… at what cost? (no thanos pun intended) we’ve created another inconsistency for his ult kit where he’ll then struggle again since its essentially the same as base blade dmg where that can get outplayed very easily in higher ranks. and it’s like we’re running in circles again now that we will later then complain about his ult and we would regret it if we were to play him in higher ranks.
Personally, I’d just go for a significant ult charge nerf: less blades in an average fight which is an overall nerf to every rank for less carry potential. However, he’ll still have that dmg potential if he wanted to. Less blades, slightly better base kit tweaks for more consistency and dps, and thats a good genji. At least in my direction, thats how i want genji to be. Less dependent on blade by giving him less ult access, not less ult dmg power, and also making him more independent and reliable on his neutral game with more plays in that department. that wont make him meta though which im sure you’ve seen my genji change suggestions as mentioned before.
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Most high ranked Genji said that they want something like that.
yeah pretty much dmg boosted blade is fine as it is. anybody with any boost is fine. but many people, including higher ranked genjis like youve said, all have said they wanted blade to come in a lot less. Its the only fair notion for him and I would love to see a better base kit and a lot less blade in a game. If you think about it less blades essentially means:
- Less carry potential, especially when ult comboing with ana.
- More preparation from the enemy team.
- Making the genji work more for building up blade
- Less reliant on blade, promotes the genji players to play their improved base kit more instead of relying on ult like they used to in hopes of turning the tide.
If i see that for genji, then he’s a balanced genji. A decent reliable base kit (not in terms of june genji but at least better than what he is now and worse than what he was in june. so yeah midway point), and an ult that comes in a lot less often where he doesnt have too much of those “explosive moments of short time value” that he does now. He can have the option of having nano and mercy dmg boost, but it will come in a lot less and ana players would probably look for other teammates to nano since the genji’s ult isnt ready by now. I’d love to see that for genji to make him an overall decent hero with less dependence on ult, and a useable base kit.
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who created the idea of a power shift
I think with this many nerfs you could buff his damage to like 31 or 32 (with maybe a higher ult charge increase), otherwise I love these changes.
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32 might be too much. 31 doesn’t hit any specific breakpoints either.
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I think it would be fine honestly considering the nerfs you’re giving him AND considering he’s underperforming in higher ranks.
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I would try 31 first, see how he does maybe.
What break points does 32 give?
idk off the top of my head but I know that it hits something
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Here’s the math:
(Normal shurikens no headshots hitting all 3) 32 x 3 = 96 + 50 = 146 dmg
(30% dmg boost no headshots hitting all 3) 41.6 x 3 = 124.8 + 65 = 189.8
Assuming you hit all 3 shurikens, plus one of them headshotting, with a dash, and with dmg boost, you could kill a squishy.
Without dmg boost, you’d need to hit 2 headshots plus a normal shuriken bodyshot, plus a dash to kill a squishy. This is to combo them and basically “one shot”. You can still fire after 0.75s
I can’t find any game breaking breakpoints honestly.
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just give him 50dmg shurikens and we’ll call it a day k? 
dont hurt me
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your making him a tank buster
Not at all, the (11%?) dmg increase hardly changes his status against tanks (which is already weak). If I wanted him to be a tank buster, I’d increase his ROF.
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20% may be steep. Maybe just submit the changes and after observation then reduce accordingly.
headshotting a tank around 5 times isn’t too hard on genji
its overkill on squishies I feel 30 damage is enough to keep him balanced
because like mercy if you play genji you prob one trick him so genji players directly increase based on buffs
30 could be enough I guess but I feel like since the damage overall is mostly the same it wouldn’t change much against tanks. Yeah I don’t want him to go down that direction, but I feel like he needs the damage anyways because he just struggles out damage healing at all with his combos. I think 31 would be fine, but I respect your opinion.
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I am looking at it from a game stand point
honestly I really don’t like the current games dps as its pretty much which dps obliterates tanks easily whereas before dps kinda were meant to contest each other
yes tanks were powerful and it sometimes made dps completely redudant but your hero could be enabled by tank gameplay
the problem is really that his damage is very inconsistent because he is a spread based hero
similarily his mobility esp wall climb and dash are buggy and his deflect is pretty much outdated
most of the utility buffs solved the problem but the games state isn’t great for heroes the engage and want to get close since baps IF is so strong and I just don’t think 31 damage would change that
it would be like the rein damage buff pretty much but if you nerfed rein’s shield and then made him walk slower while using it if you were to powershift him
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