but that’s right…
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It’s a Deus Ex Machina for the other team.
Everyone has their role on a given team and all offense ULT and even ULT combos have play/counter play to them. So when a chain of events comes into play that results in say 3 players dead, there was ways that could have been avoided. The dead players, screwed up. Their play directly resulted in them being back in the spawn room and losing a given team fight.
To then allow the lowest skilled hero in the game (well, before Brigitte was released) and her ULT “earned” by holding left click to just erase the screw up of her team was boring and terrible game play. Over and over Team A does something, out plays Team B and time to… nope Rez.
“Yeah well just shoot the Mercy first lol”
So now the game is just hunt the Mercy, again?
So much fun.
Compounded by the fact that Mercy “earns” her ULT but just keeping her healing beam on people. Where as say a Rein vs Rein has to outplay and or fight the other tanks directly to build ULT first to win a team fight.
So when the Huge Rez hit it always felt like an unearned Deus Ex Machina save for the other team. They all screwed up but never mind, it did not happen!!!
Terrible, terrible, boring and dull game play for anyone/everyone but the Mercy player.
I see no way they allow Mercy to have much impact on games anymore, ever. There is no way entire OWL matches are going to be won or loss off a 3-4 player Rez from spawn.
It’s not dynamic or interesting game play.
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It’s called killing the main healer, or someone who has the possibility to stop you. I’m going to kill the Zen if I plan on using grav, no?
She gets charge for healing, if she isn’t healing and it’s on, it’s the standard slow ult charge.
You aren’t going to see her in matches given most of the other healers, at a high level, are much better than a Mercy pick.
She’s a simplistic healer whose pickrate drops as you go up the ranks, and that looks like a design choice, honestly. But now, with this version, you do less of the work for a much better pickrate.
Your teammates also get rezzed, I don’t suppose you cried because you got another chance at winning?
Also, yeah, I mean, do you jump for joy when that McCree kills your team with Deadeye? No, I didn’t think so.
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There’s no way it’s coming back. Non-tempo mass rez caused fairly unpredictable results regardless of how many counters there were; no amount of modifications would fix that without being more similar to what we have now.
mirror play happens all the time, it changes nothing about the balance issues of the game play being mirrored.
Rez was a huge Deus Ex Machina bailout of a team who failed to stay alive. A reset as if their failed play/counter play did not even happen.
The game is better off with it gone.
The real problem with Mercy right now is a lot of players find her boring to play. Yet I don’t know how you make her game play more dynamic.
So with each new hero the old guard heroes seem even more and more boring to play.
Mean while a hamster is flinging himself off the roof in a flaming ball, pile driver slamming into the ground, popping shield and shooting stuff before dropping his mines and then spinning around the payload looking to boop people.
Umm the results were pretty clear buddy. She either got the Resurrect or she didn’t. Like what?
Yes there are plenty of ways to balance Resurrect as an ultimate 0 people want to try it is all.
There’s 1 brilliant idea for you. Take a look through the 9 Megathreads. You might find something useful.
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What do you even mean? I’m saying Mercy wasn’t the only one who was happy about the resurrection. Point still stands.
How is it different from a team that failed to prevent getting caught in a graviton and Zenyatta ults? Your team is caught in the open, no shields, soldier ults but Lucio ults over it?
It isn’t about being dynamic. It’s about making her feel like she has power and being unique.
You don’t feel powerful sitting in the sky, changing beams, hiding behind a wall. You DID feel powerful being able to rez and save your team from loss.
Ressurrction as an ultimate was unique. Having fly and healing is not unique.
It’s hardly the other heroes. I dislike how Hammond plays, Ana is fun, but this legitimately isn’t about other heroes, it’s about one her, and that hero is
“Mass rez was a Deus ex machina”
Right. Okay.
In one way, this is actually a huge compliment to the mercies who were really good at min-maxing their ult charge gain, surviving enemy focus, reading the field and timing their rez perfectly.
A less kind interpretation of this is that you’re taking Mercy for granted, and forgetting that there’s an actual person playing her and not a literal bot.
Mass rez was easily nullified with a zoning ult. It’s not that hard to look at the enemy lineup, see a Mercy, and go “hey, maybe we shouldn’t use all our ults at once.”
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You’re trying to spin that a terrible game play mechanic that allowed a team to fail and get bailed out 100% like it did not even happen is fine, being the team getting bailed out liked it.
Yet as I said before, just because both sides can do something doesn’t change or make it balanced. Mirror play of cruddy balance issue or game play mechanics doesn’t all of sudden make it good game play. “Well both side can do it!” is not how you balance stuff.
being all of that has counter play, direct counter play on a player by player level. The tank could get a kill on the Zarya first, the dva might eat the grav. The team could be more spread out etc etc etc.
It’s far cry from YOU FAIL and then “Lol just kidding… your poor play did not just happen… reset!!!” from a Mercy who was hidden behind a box or even worse, was save in the spawn waiting for her team to fail in the first place.
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Did you know
That mass rez
Could fail too?
We’ve already gone over this. ZONING ULTS HARD COUNTERED MASS REZ.
Mass rez kept ult spam in check. It’s not your own team’s fault if the enemy decides to dump all their ults at once.
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The entire game should not boil down to every team fight is about having to hunt down the lowest skilled player on the other team who happens to be gifted with a high self healing rate and also one of the best mobility skills in the entire game.
If Ana had mass Rez? Yeah ok, then maybe it would be ok. You could see granny limping her way out of spawn. You could dive her and get a good fight counter fight going when team fight would start.
But Mercy? I can remember directly waiting and holding on to my ULT FOR Mercy, seeing the mercy coming out of spawn and oh wait sorry she was in mid flight already. Total BS.
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I mean, it’s your personal opinion, sorry it doesn’t reflect my own? I honestly don’t mind clutch abilities and ults.
Never once did I say, because you can mirror it, does it make it balanced.
Just like you could target and kill the main healer 
See, what you aren’t grasping, is that you are so sure people should be punished for screwing up, but that simply isn’t what the game design shows.
When it comes down to you, you are solely targeting mess rez and just kicking aside things like sound barrier and trans that can also save a team even if they screw up.
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Looks like I’m going to need to repeat myself again.
Step one: Save at least one ult.
Step two: Watch for Mercy rez.
Step 3: Re-wipe the enemy with the ult you saved.
Step 4: profit
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It can come back with these changes: Mercy can’t use it while behind walls, no invincibility, it shouldn’t be instant, and souls must be in LOS.
So if mass rez get these changes, then I’m ok with it
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Deal!
But mercy will need an E still. Not having one last time railroaded her into heavily relying on mass rez.
Would you accept a tepid Valkyrie on E? All stats and numbers are up for negotiation.
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don’t let them see this one
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If these changes were used instead of a rework then Mercy wouldn’t be in the position she currently is in.
Mercy was a trollpick when it came to the triple tank meta and it took Ana nerfs and a few buffs to Mass Rez for her to get noticed. Mass Rez never ruined a game cause DPS were smart not to use ults when Mercy had ult. Guess those times have changed.
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That is still one of my favorite skins.
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It’s not going to happen, mass res was terrible for the game and everyone knew it.
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Oh please, I was pushing into masters and playing in a full 6 stack back in the Mercy power days. We had the team work and I knew what to do, it did not mater.
Due to guardian angel you could do everything right to stop the mercy, have an ULT, see the Mercy and so and STILL fail to stop her from doing a Rez. I hammered down a bunch of Mercy players on the way from spawn in a 2CP map but still was not rewarded with stopping them.
As they were either already in flight or already in glowing stage or due to latency it looked like she was at one place on my screen in the rez process but not really. Then you had the Rez invulnerability with the same exact issues.
The team getting their magic like reset to wash away their totally poor play and get their free bail out was also gifted with being invulnerable for a bit of time.
So again, I still have my shatter ready to go but now I have to try to time to the split second when they come out of the glowing stage. The entire time they are being rewarded with movement and 100% invulnerability as their pay off for the poor play that got them killed off in the first place.
Terrible game play mechanic.
and again, that’s with in a 6 stack playing at high 3k with masters and future GM level DPS player etc. I’m sure at lower SR ranges it was mostly just “Team plays crappy, team dies. LOL rez reset” and repeat over and over and over.
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