Doesn’t sound like you completely read my example. In my example he isn’t dying, he is getting picks, but the complainer would say he is playing poorly because they are getting the shield they are wanting. So yes, subjective.
I use this example because I have heard it MANY times. I’ve been told I play a poor support and “need to heal” even though I have gold healing, but it is because I was playing close to our tanks and they thought I should be moving around more. It wasn’t a matter of me playing poorly, they just didn’t like how I was healing.
again simply claiming something isn’t true doesn’t make it not true, you have linked no evidence to any of your claims, and blizzard has never said that they have done studies, they have said that it may be better to be polite with how you tell people what you have to say, but they have never said there was a study that showed what you are saying.
100% a lie
if you know WHY you are losing then you can fix it. something you do in every game
IE: they have a pharah and we have no counter this is why we are losing
If you know HOW to fix the problem then you can help your team
IE: they have a Pharah and we have no counter we should get a Widowmaker.
If you know who SHOULD implement the solution then you can put the best solution forward and up your chances of fixing it.
IE: they have a Pharah and we have no counter we should get a Widowmaker. Oh look this teammate has 100 hours of widow they should be the one to play the widow.
Yes, in this universe people on bronze to grandmaster runs have been told by their teammates that they are not doing enough. I have all golds as Widow and I am “not landing shots.” I wonder which universe I must be visiting every single time I play Overwatch. Any ideas?
I did read your example, I gave a more fleshed out example of how it would actually go down. being vague for the sake of your argument doesn’t make you right. also you didn’t flesh out what the 5 other teammates on your team are doing.
Uh this is just you putting too much value in a lower ranked players opinion, sorry if I’m on my gold smurf and a person tells me I’m doing bad I’m just going to ignore them because I know they don’t understand what I’m doing.
having all golds doesn’t mean anything. you can have all golds as widow, but if gold is 2 elims 1 obj kill, and 800 damage you aren’t doing well.
there is a clear line between good performance, and bad performance, that’s why if a widow is destroying your team people will know they need to counter the widow, same with any other hero that is dragging your team through the mud, you usually know pretty quickly who you need to counter on the enemy team.
oh yeah giving the example of a rien being aggressive and winning team fights vs a rien being aggressive, charging into the enemy lines, and dying every fight thus loosing the fight for the team and being the reason you are loosing is vague?
you said and I quote:
literally giving no context to what he is doing aggressively.
No, I do not care about their opinion whatsoever; however, it is blatantly clear that people CANNOT tell if you are performing bad. Sometimes it is obvious, naturally. Other times (the vast majority, actually), the lowest tier character is scapegoated. Or if everyone is playing meta, the people not using mics. Or if everyone is using mics, whoever is not part of the stack. You catch my drift, I am sure.
Oh, yes, I am bragging about my 2 elims when I believe I am doing fine with Widow. Definitely my experience as someone with nearly 100 hours on the hero and plenty of top ten stats across all of my Widow accounts. Yep, you got me, fam.
Exactly my point, if they are running a counter Widow (which is subsequently forced to switch to Genji) I am probably doing my job. But do not tell that to my team! I never stated that my enemies were not aware of my impact. They know. It is that effect, “my Widow does nothing, why is it always the Widows on my team.” Probably because you are delusional, fam. The best is when they avoid you and you get to play against them and make them your, erm… Female dog.
that’s a difference in game knowledge though. its not people of the same caliber, so it doesn’t relate to what I’m saying. You cant bring smurfs into a discussion about your actual skill level.
I mean I’m pretty sure you don’t hold top 10 slots in plat, that’s just you not understanding data, or not understanding that having a 23% crit rating vs bronzes and vs gms is a different thing entirely. Stats can also be inflated. if I farm headshots off of roadhog while hes standing still, it doesn’t make me a widow god all of a sudden.
If you force them to swap to genji, and they start killing you everytime you come around a corner as widow, your past performance is irrelevant now. Just because you popped off at one point of the game doesn’t mean you are doing well the entire game. the game changes as you play. the performance you had at the beginning may not be good enough anymore. if you get 5 head shots off the back kill almost the entire team good for you, but if they swap to triple tank because you did that and run double shields, your value may not be their anymore, and you stubbornly refusing to swap and getting no value would make people say you have poor performance. you are thinking one dimensionally.
It always devolved into blaming each other, anyway. It’s never just “the other team is clearly better”, it’s always “someone on our team must be the problem, and it’s definitely not me”-- and the first person to point the finger starts the cycle of “lol, I don’t want to hear that coming from the guy who (did something wrong here).”
At that point you just have two people arguing and four other people rolling their eyes while morale plummets and any chance you previously had being flushed down the toilet.
still way too vague, hes getting picks cool, but is that a rein’s job? is he getting picks at the expense of pulling the heals away from the rest of the team and leaving them to die? because as you should know, a rien can not shield and swing at the same time. meaning if hes getting picks while playing aggressively, it probably means hes leaving his team to be picked off as well because they have no shield. Meaning hes playing poorly. Getting kills doesn’t equal good performance, performing what role you are supposed to is good performance. theres a reason nobody likes battle mercys.
First of all, why care so much about an endorsement? It’s not like there’s a thumbs down button (aside from abusing report), so if you really think your criticism is so important, just say it. Get your endorsements in another game.
But more importantly, if you think criticism always yields negative responses, maybe it’s how you talk to people? I find that if you’re generally positive in chat, and offer suggestions rather than point out mistakes, people tend to react much better. Especially in tiers where people simply play in a lot of different ways. It got them to where you currently are as well, so criticism should be applied with modesty.
Sure i do it all the time, constructive criticism is a thing. If you want your free loot box then more power to you. But if you’re playing the wrong character vs the comp or constantly in bad positioning you should get called out. It’s up to you bud to speak up.
What are the rewards for endorsement? Like I can’t see people changing how they are unless it’s something substantial. If it’s just a free loot box every now and then I have no problem being the same person I always am. Like I really give a flying **** what these people think of me.
I don’t, I say what I need to, the issue is others wont speak up, because they do care, and then I look bad for telling the rien that charges into the enemy team and dying every fight hes playing too aggressively, because everyone else is saying “better luck next time” because they want gold stars
Listen man, I make a living as PMA streamer, I’m not coming at these people meanly. I’m just being honest. the issue is, people cant handle honestly. If I say hey widow you may want to swap you may be having a bad day, but you aren’t doing so hot, they freak out. The issue is nobody wants to be the problem, and if you tell them they are, they get defensive and toxic, rather than accepting criticism.
In my groups players actually say themselves if they feel like they’re not doing so great, some even talk about why. For example a dps talking about getting a lot dmg on a loss, then talking with others about securing kills/follow ups more. And so do I. If we have a bad game I might mention I didn’t play my best (which is true). I’ve always paid close attention to my own gameplay and I know when I’m weighting the team down in one way or another.
And besides that I’ve seen plenty ‘‘we should swap rein to winston’’ etc requests and people comply very well.
My b, top ten percent. It is probably top 10,000 out of 100k or something to that effect. I do not know and despite the fact that I brought it up, I do not really care all that much. It just tells me what I need to know, which is that I do more than fine on my character.
I understand stats are relative. However, in my platinum games with my platinum teammates, they do not understand that I am performing against other platinum players. That was my only point and I am sure it applies to Widow at every rank for the same reasons.
It is funny that if my stats in an area are poor. “You suck.” If they are good. “You farmed them.” I just play the game and try my best bro, it is that simple. Sometimes I have great games where I carry it almost alone. Other times I have great games where I am the reason we won, but my team helped. You have your normal games, where I just contribute in a normal fashion and off games, where I could have done better but I was not an active detriment. I rarely have games where I am an active detriment as once those begin, I switch. I do not claim to be a Widow god. I claimed that I am performing well above the average of other platinum Widow and I still get blamed for everything that goes wrong.
I go about 50/50 with Genji and if the team helps, the Genji obviously cannot touch me. So, to that end, it is up to them what they want to do as I am only going to switch if the Genji dominates me and I am not going to be too happy if I find out the team actively let it happen. I was in a game where some player was being toxic the entire time and a Tracer snuck up behind me while he was clearly in line of sight, he did not help, he did not call it. Let us just say that I did decide to switch and the outcome was not quite what he wanted. Not that I was throwing, no. But I went to my other character (Sombra) and had far less of an impact but infinitely more fun.
No. You are just assuming that it is true regardless with whatever justification you can come up with, same as they do. I already stated if I have no impact on Widow, I swap. Double barrier is one of those times. And the implication that you have to kill 5 people as Widow to have value is just as fallacious.
there is no way to say you should swap you aren’t doing well, without saying it. its not passive aggressive, its being nice about saying youre playing poorly. If someone tells me I’m playing poorly I don’t get upset, I do what it takes to play better or I swap because I cant perform.
I never said this, I gave examples of how stats can be misleading. I never have said you were bad or good.
another example can be having a 100% winrate on widow, but only having ever played one comp game with them, does that make you a god? no.
The point is stats can be misleading.
I’m giving examples of a person thinking they have value, or having done well at one point and refusing to swap because of that one point. Youre pushing sentiments from others onto me. what others have done to you has nothing to do with me. I’m just simply giving examples of where you can falsely feel you are performing well. In my examples, I made it objectively true that the widow was no longer valuble. there is no arguing that.
