Ok then ask me how a player who is solid gold wants to buy boosting and that guy gets boosted to diamond in a day or two. How did that guy do it? Oh wait because he has the game sense to do it and knows how to win and doesn’t need a team. I’ve seen master players 4v6 a team while playing in plat.
I’m sorry but Elo is made up, seriously get good is the only way to climb and know how to actually play this game
Did you read my post even?
Was I talking about the top 5%?!
No i was talking about all the others!
Read it please
And do notice I did not say ello hell!
I don’t believe in it either.
Really?
So the fact I stayed platinum almost all this season on Xbox despite placing at 2996 has nothing to do with throwers, trolls, leavers & smurfs?
Because I’m telling you now it absolutely has EVERYTHING to do with that.
You tell me how you’re supposed to climb in SR when you end up 4v6 because of leavers.
You tell me how you’re supposed to climb in SR when you have a Widowmaker doing nothing but shooting at a wall, or a Genji constantly double jumping off a cliff.
It’s absolute rubbish to claim that my dropping in SR is because of me rather than throwers/trolls/leavers/smurfs.
My comment wasn’t just at you, stop getting tilted.
Everyone falls back to the old “it’s just as likely for the enemy team to get a bad teammate” defense, but you and I both know that’s not true. I do a lot of PvP in FFXIV as well and let me tell you… Despite both of you having supposedly the same odds, you will often see the same bad player on the same team while the same good player is on the opposite team, due to matchmaking. Now, the game itself doesn’t know this player is bad or a thrower. They just see you both as gold, plat, whatever, so they don’t see a problem with putting them on your team.
This is where the issue is created. You have this idea of what matchmaking should be and what matchmaking actually is. Unfortunately, these are not one in the same. Now, again, if we lived in a world where matchmaking was perfect, then sure. I could say that both teams have even odds of receiving a bad player, but sometimes that’s not the case.
Also, just because you managed to climb from silver to diamond doesn’t necessarily mean it was because of your performance. While your improvement did have an impact on your climb, you also have to think about all of the times that you got a competent 3 stack or duo on your team that helped you win when you weren’t performing well while the other team’s duo or 3 stack wasn’t performing as well as your own. This is exactly why your defense falls flat on its face because you’re wanting to look at this from a personal perspective and this is a team game, so you can’t exactly do that.
You don’t need a majority of games to have throwers, smurfs, or cheaters. You only need some of them to. I have a 50%+ win ratio on my mains (see: Reinhardt, D.Va, Orisa, Winston, etc.), yet I still wasn’t able to reach diamond this season. Why? Mainly because of throwers, useless DPS, or some other reason. I often found myself in situations where I’d get one or two good teams, then I’d get queued up with bad players for the next three or four matches, completely undoing any kind of progress I made.
Now, that doesn’t happen all the time, as you said, but it happens enough to make a difference, especially since SR isn’t distributed at a flat rate until reaching diamond anyway, which you also failed to mention. In any case, you’re only fooling yourself here if you honestly believe you’re the only reason why you managed to climb from silver to diamond. You’re also fooling yourself if you have convinced yourself that you’re the only reason you can’t climb any higher.
There’s a lot more going on in this picture than you seem to be aware of.
But did you make the adjustments? If the widow is getting picks were you playing heros that help her get shields down or making space so the team is spread out so she can get picks?
Were you pushing the tanks so they can’t focus genji and genji then has an open space to attack the support?
Posts like yours really, really, really make me miss the downvote option…
I’ve been playing this game since launch. I think my game sense is pretty good.
You seem to be completely overlooking my point, however, which was that you cannot control the actions of your teammates, so your personal SR will not improve if you have toxic players/throwers/trolls/leavers/smurfs in your comp matches.
Thus your SR is not truly YOUR SR because your teammates absolutely have a direct effect on whether it increases or decreases.
And here we have yet ANOTHER prime example of someone that believes bad teammates don’t exist, yet they contradict their mentality by calling US the bad teammate. Lay off the Kool-Aid, Novum. I think you’ve had a little too much to drink, bro.
Despite how good you think you are, I can assure you that you didn’t get there by yourself.
where did i say my post comes to prove ello hell exists?
Where did i say luck?
I simply said not all players can get to be the top 5% but some can still be very good even when out of their rank and still hold their own if they have a good team (i’m not talking about 5 grand masters crying someone).
And again I don’t believe in ello hell because i want throw that phase being stuck in high sliver low gold and i manged to get myself to mid high plat couple of times alone.
But the fact is when I play with friends that are higher level I can hold my own and not drag down the team and play better then with a team at my sr.
I’m not top 5% but I do want people to acknowledge that the team does matter!
Haha never said bad team mates don’t exist, I just said I don’t blame them for my rank like you do. I’m responsible for my own SR at the end of the day, I’ve experienced throwers/leavers etc yet still been able to climb, explain that.
How is it an “excuse” to cite throwers, leavers & trolls as a reason that your SR goes down instead of up?
It’s not an excuse. It’s a FACT.
And how are you meant to take responsibility for your rank when your teammates gave a direct effect on whether it goes up or down?
You are full of rubbish claiming “if you were better players, you’d be at a higher SR”.
I’m NOT the one responsible for some troll or thrower in a comp game. My SR will go down because of THEIR actions, NOT mine.
You are responsible because unless you’re getting a thrower/leaver in 100% of your games then your the problem not your team.
At the end of the day, you’re not solely responsible for your own SR because there are 5 other people on your team as well as 6 others on the enemy team that all have a direct effect on whether your SR goes up or down.
You cannot deny this. It is a fact.
Haha ahuh. Let me ask you, what rank do you feel you actually belong at, Diamond? Master?
Sorry, man. I’m not gonna sit here with 3-4 golds on D.Va and blame myself for a loss when I was doing everything I possibly could to carry the deadweight on my team. I don’t mind swallowing that pill when I know I could have performed better, but I’m not going to make excuses for bad teammates. The fact that you have been able to climb is because you got the luck of the draw.
While your personal performance has improved, you got lucky in a sense that you haven’t encountered throwers/leavers as often as some of us have, so consider yourself lucky.
What about a teams of mains that cant play anything else and we do try to flex and no one tilts and no thrower/leaver/troll.
Just a team that isn’t working and do try what about that?
Because i’ll tell you now that most of the games I lost thrower/leaver/trolls/tilts only count for 2% of my loss (and i know that because I have an excel i use to track my games).
Based on my past SRs I’d have to say I’m a platinum player, and I’m fine with that.
But that’s not what I’m talking about.
You’re saying you need to take sole responsibility for your SR when throwers, leavers, trolls, and smurfs all have an effect on that SR.
So why should I have to take responsibility for having throwers, leavers, trolls etc on my team?
That’s a completely and absolutely ludicrous thing to suggest.
How about you stop being an elitist jerk thinking you’re better than everyone else?
I do keep trying to improve, but when I get a thrower on my team and we lose the match because of it and my personal SR drops as a result, that’s THEIR fault NOT mine.