You still need to kill the supports tho? The main person that’s healing the tank still exists and is still pumping heals into the tank, in this case juno.
Off healers never really have the task of healing the tank, they provide different things. Lucio with speed, mercy with dps pocket, etc etc. I just don’t think their should be a support who pockets other supports and makes them near unkillable especially in a game like overwatch and 5v5 where if said support doesn’t die than the tank definitely won’t.
Also I don’t think juno is broken. It’s dva with speed ring and brig making her an infeasible target to kill that’s the problem. Juno herself is fine.
It depends for the main supp on what they do, main supp pumping tanks with util (speed out or grip out) still makes tank harder to kill compared to what brig does. With the exception of MS mercy, brig as MS leaves tanks the most likely to be burst down. That and juno not really having a good burst heal or denial abilities like other flex supps that can bail out tanks, the most is a speed ring to fill out the “speed tank out” gap.
Generally speaking tanks is still almost easiest to kill when facing juno brig as a meta supp backline, it’s mostly that dva is nigh unkillable as long as she keeps her armor up. Switch dva to most other tanks and they will have a much worse time with this backline. Not as bad as having a double main supp backline but def not as good as the traditional brig ana/bap/illari or lucio ana/bap.
Juno has one of the highest hps, a burst heal with her homing missiles, and the speed utility to help get tanks out. I don’t believe for a second that if you replace dva with another tank that they are much easier to kill with this backline.
Using her missiles on a single target is spending 1.3s that you can use for healing on 135 healing that’s very delayed. Her normal healing is 100 hp/s so it barely does more. Using it at most would be conserving ammo or a quick aoe heal but it doesn’t not increase her hps on a single target. She’s basically 1 ability down towards tank sustain compared to other meta flex supps that has an actual burst heal ability that doesn’t interrupt their hp/s output.
She’s better than most MS at sustaining tanks, but she’s not exactly better than the meta flex supps on sustain for tanks. The advantage is how unkillable she is while doing it.
Ironically on higher lvl she’s being played as the lucio replacement rn (so, MS) because she’s barely killable and has the dva missile launch combo AND has better healing output on a single target than lucio, not better compared to the flex supps like ana or bap.
I don’t mind Brig tbh total godsend to have on your team at the moment
Sucks to play off meta dive heroes against her like Genji or Doom but I’m glad there’s a solid option in the support role to deal with DvaMonkey brainrot
Pretty much the issue. Against the meta too strong heroes it’s perfect. Against off meta dive heroes its overkill and just not possible to break through without a squadron lol. Feels like garbage to play against
That’s not true because I MAIN a dive hero. So when I do well, guess what they’ll counterswap too.
Correct. Juno is fine as she is, it’s brig that’s the issue. She’s perfect for the meta dive heroes but off meta dive heroes, it’s just overkill and she’s too good at making the other support uncontestable.
Almost like you change her so that she can do other things instead of existing to be an insufferable hero to go against where she just makes the other support unkillable, in a game where supports need to die or nothing else will!
And how will you do that?
Literally what niche is she supposed to fill as the only melee ranged support?
She is literally designed to be an answer to dive, that’s her only purpose.
She only does something when people come to her.
If there is no reason to get in her range (literally 6 meters), she sucks!
She sucks in poke and she’s replacable in rush cuz peel is less relevant there.
Please be so fr right now.
Not to mention Brig is literally one of the most healthy supports atm, she has a clear niche and doesn’t do much outside of that.
She has no forms of immortality or hard cc (boops are soft cc) and lacks heavily in ranged damage. She literally only heals and pushes ppl away, you’re just biased.
A hero who exists to make an entire subset of heroes completely obselete and unable to do their jobs with little to no effort, SHOULD NOT EXIST.
This is 5v5 overwatch where support NEED to be able to die. Being difficult to kill is one thing, being borderline impossible to kill without launching a full scale assault on them is idiotic.
There’s a reason juno brig gets used so much and why ana brig was getting used just as much beforehand. Brig makes these heroes untouchable.
Against the broken dive heroes? sure cool! Against the off meta dive heroes who cannot physically compete with that? It’s broken.
At the very least it should be weaker. It is overkill against most of the dive heroes in the game who aren’t just massively overpowered like dva was. A backline should not be completely uncontestable. And saying “just go range lol!” is LITERALLY THE PROBLEM. It just forces more counterswapping lmfao.
Characters who have hyper niche’s and dominate that niche at a ridiculous level are not healthy heroes. This has been a conversation since forever. Hyper niche heroes have always been problematic.
This immediately tells me you are going to be disingenuous to the conversation because that’s not nearly what I said. So please go away if you’re not going to say something worthwhile that isn’t just blatantly ignoring my words.