Yet support ults can do that
So since you chimed in, please tell me what that has to do with the topic of which takes more aim.
So first he was talking abkut primary if im not mistaken and illari is throwing a masive bomb at you it takes very very little aim just shoot the ground that all you dont need to hit directly like cassadys primary as well her primary on the talk of aim is also easier being that its .1 meters across while cassadys is 0.
Completely off topic (apologies). Dom, did you play Infinite Crisis?
No i did not sorry mate
Okay, you had liked a post where I mentioned it so I thought you might’ve. 
No, they literally were talking about ults.
And Yet it still takes more aim than both Cassidy’s and Reaper’s ults.
Has nothing to do with the topic. The complexity of guns and fights and all that is too much for you, especially since you can’t even follow or refute the basic point I was arguing in the first place. I’m not playing “shifting the goalpost” with you because you will have probably ended up talking about the color of maps by the time you ran out of arguments to shift to.
Cassady just looks at a group of enemies and tracks the most important target same for illari they are the same
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Shhhh everyone has forgotten that tire is solid. Don’t ruin it for us 
Her ult objectively takes more aim, there’s literally no argument against it, this isn’t a matter of opinion.
Just say you’re biased against the character and make up lies to feel better, at least that would be the truth.
Her ult literally DOES NOT auto-lock onto targets like his. This is why people don’t take opinions about supports seriously from some of you people because you can’t even genuinely be honest about basic facts like an ult that literally auto-locks taking less aim than a projectile one that LITERALLY DOES NOT.
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You do know it has a large splash range ? Like I get your point is that you have to aim it, but you get more by trying to get it to splash than aiming at a character. And its pretty easy to hit the 90 dps threshold to get them to explode when they are slowed down by the ult. Like its more “skillful” during, but you have to set up the other two which are all or nothing ults (which is much more difficult than illari’s setup). Her ult is similar to genji’s but genji’s is much more risky and takes more skill objectively (aim, positioning, cooldown management) than illari’s and yet her ult is more capable of securing kills solo than his in practice.
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Oh ffs, my bad. We have the Lucasian Chair of Mathematics over here, answering the hard questions for us! I would have never known that Illari’s ult is easier to aim than a hitscan primary. It’s not like the original topic was about Illari having to aim her ult or anything, I really am glad that someone came right out of left field just to say that Cass’s primary fire is harder to aim than her ult like that has any relevance to anything whatsoever
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You are taking this a little too literally. I was implying that neither require enough player input to constitute needing to aim. You are correct, however. Illari does indeed have a projectile and Cassidy does have a lock on. I would not deny that. 
Mei’s ult is pretty good. So is Reaper’s ult. What about Bob or Molten Core? I know some aren’t great like Hanzo or Bastion, but some are decent.
Thats a little dramatic to say, but yes its true that supports and tank have better ults overall.
The funny thing is the best dps ults are ones that are basically support or tank ults lol
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Has nothing to do with the objective fact that it takes more aim than Cass and Reaper.
His ult taking more skill is debatable and conditional. Neither of their ults are weak but trying to bring up Genji who is notorious for having one of the best ults in the game does not take away from Illari’s ult taking more aim than Cassidy’s or Reaper’s. It’s funny you bring up Cass’ and Reaper’s ults being “all or nothing” to defend them and then bring up a roaming ult.
Who can Illari solo-ult that Genji cannot? Nobody. Even characters with invulnerabilities are more vulnerable to Genji’s ult because it isn’t a one-shot use. Genji is not a victim nor does he have anything to do with Illari’s ult requiring more aim than Cass and Reaper’s ults.
You do realize that aim is a poor metric of usefulness right? the impact of the ult in live play is more important than anything else.
Genji has to dash and slash in. His value is his blade alone yes, but an ana’s nano is near mandatory for him to survive it this season. It can work, but you will be hurting more often than not. Roaming dps ults do better and are easier to get value from than all or nothing dps ults. Illari is a support with a dps ult better than a fair amount of dps ults. Pointing in the general direction of the enemy with a large burst and then flying to pop them with a fast large projectile’s damage to slowed enemies is not high skilled when its easy to do. Its very low risk, high reward currently- if it had high risk, then I would agree about skill, but there is not much risk relative to many dps ults that “burst” enemies.
wait why is ok that support and tank ults can do that (support more so then tank though)?
if you lose a team fight with one of these ults thats more so a skill issue the anything else. because the potency of the support and tank ults is outrageous compared to most dps heroes.
some have decent ones but the vast majority of the dps ults are F or D tier while their is no bad tank or support ult.
the lowest one of those ults goes is B tier
Whiffing an ult vs being denied value even after the perfect setup and execution are two entirely different things. I could name a million different ways my perfectly planned Death Blossom was stopped by a single ability that any of the heroes in the game have.
All of this is either skill issue or creating space. In the case of creating space, that is want tanks are meant to do so their ults reflecting that means that you did your job. If you don’t get damage done from your DPS ult… then you just failed at doing your job and you could’ve played it perfectly.
HAs nothing to do with my original point, just like the other guy, cool story, bro, I’m not playing “change to subject” If you have anything else to say concerning my original post, I’m fine with entertaining that.
All three kill people and can easily be denied but the two damage characters have easier ults mechanically which also don’t require as much follow-up or any follow-up from themselves or their team when the initial ult is cast unlike Illari’s. You can ult a full hp character as both Cass and Reaper and they die, Illari has to do more afterwards. However, this also has nothing to do with her ult taking more aim.
The damage character victim complex is getting out of hand, no, damage characters ults aren’t all both harder to pull off and weaker than the other roles. You want a stronger Cass ult? Advocate for it to be reworked, the same with Reaper.
There are valid complaints about Illari to be had but you people pick the dumbest crap to focus your non-arguments on that it makes believing you actually having an issue past not liking the character really difficult. You people are really in this post arguing Reaper and Cassidy’s ults take just as much, if not more skill than a projectile you have to aim and follow up on, it’s completely ridiculous. And to add to it all, it never fails that someone joins the discussion trying desperately to involve Genji and explain how he’s somehow a victim as well.
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