a team game where tanks have the most impact and supports and dps just have to hope they get good tanks or lose, because they aren’t impactful enough to be the reason they win
LOL, sure.
Just one post ago, you said that you never said this. So no, you didn’t “admit” anything. You flat out lied, and now that you were caught, you want to drop the subject.
Again, that is not how winrates work. The less a comp is used, the more winrates become skewed. A team with an absurdly high pickrate of dozens or hundreds of hours and a winrate between 45%-55% is far more “dominant” than a team with a winrate >60% but only used for an hour.
http://winstonslab.com/teamcomps/?dateGreater=2018-06-17&dateSmaller=&event%5B%5D=86&specificMatchupTeam1=0&specificMatchupTeam2=0&team%5B%5D=&team2%5B%5D=&time=0&maptype%5B%5D=&map%5B%5D=&roundtype%5B%5D=&point%5B%5D=&statsBy=1&heroes=
OH LOOK. The second-most-used comp, with a winrate of 53%, was double sniper along with Dive.
Please quote me saying the words “double sniper wasn’t doing better”.
My point from the beginning was that Double Sniper didn’t replace Dive. I said “Dive remained the dominant comp”, because it did. Even if you look at the stats I provided above, the most used specific composition was Orisa+Hog+Dva+Double Snipers, but both its pickrate and winrate are far, FAR eclipsed by the sheer amount of different Dive compositions used at the time. Including a type of Dive that used Double Snipers, which was the second most-used comp.
That sucks for Genji. But Genji by himself is not “Dive”.
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I’ve seen plenty of impactful supports who seem to keep things alive unnaturally long times and DPS who pop off and save games. Just as many as tanks who save games.
okay, -YELLOW ORB- we’ll -SHIELD BASH- get -ALLA TILL MIG!- right -FADE- on -REGEN BURST- that -biotic grasp noises-, thanks -HELDEN STERBEN NICHT!- for -IMMORTALITY FIELD- the -gunned down by hitscan support with DPS damage- advice
back when we were still able to do that, all you had to worry about were sleep dart, bionade and Zen/Lucio ults. But then forum crybabies whined about Dive heroes and so the devs spent the next two years making sure dive was never playable again.
I wouldn’t blame tanking for the issues you presented, but I agree about supports. Tank hp’s can be filled up way too fast with heroes like Moira, Ana, Bap. They can even keep them immortal (Bap) and outheal chip damage mid-fight.
Tanking seems way too good because their weakness should be that they are harder to heal due to large hp pools, but supports can just fill them up in a blink.
I’d love to see an experimental ptr where healing is nerfed. They might’ve recognized this issue and started with Moira as an example. Maybe ana should do a bit less healing too, or just nerf the nade’s effect. Bap’s healing should be slightly reduced too, and window’s healing effect reduced to 1.5x instead of 2x.
Bap’s immortality field is a joke of an ability. It’s not op, but just a really bad addition to a game where sustain was already so good.
I wouldn’t be willing to go through with any of this before nerfing several mid-goats dps dps buffs though.
Given the talent on the team, it may be possible, that a normally bad comp is a better choice than the meta.
But that’s a really edge case, that doesn’t really help balance anything.
Literally only got used in pro dive games once Mercy got reworked. On ladder, she only saw use when the enemy wasn’t running dive and was swapped off after a single flanker/dive tank showed up in the field.
And Genji’s been on a decline since launch. Once players figure out how to exploit his weakness (no self-sustain), it’s easy to steamroll him. At least until he gets Nano’d and uses DB. And as long as Ana’s not getting used, Nanoblade is the least of anyone’s concerns.
Pros complained about Dive more than anyone else.
They were the ones sick of playing it.
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I love how you both put ults (2 requiring huge ult charge) and high CD abilities in there lmao
Okay, I understand why DPS mains are frustrated about all the hate that flows their way (much of it undeserved). But come on?! Second Class Citizens of Overwatch??? I really am playing the world’s smallest violin!!!
Supports and Tanks have received multiple nerfs in the past, while dps have received quite substantial buffs as well. That’s just how it goes.
The developers do not favor the other two roles over the dps category, nor do tanks and supports actively discriminate against dps players (who last I checked are the most popular role by a noticeable margin).
Alternatively, it took 3 tanks and 3 supports working together to keep a single dps out of the meta.
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no i didnt? i literally said that I fact checked myself and you were correct? are you simple?
absolutely untrue, pirate ship was used less than double sniper and had negative winrates.
because double sniper was becoming meta. Duh that’s what ive been saying this entire time. just because dive was used too doesn’t mean double sniper wasn’t the better strat. Pros realized this and fully moved to double sniper.
no youre trying to go the long way around back tracking.
You said “dive remained meta after brigs release and it was hanzo who caused double sniper” which is untrue. Double sniper started taking over as soon as brig was released.
That’s why youre so hard pressed on holding up the fact that they were ran along side each other, because its the only point you can hold onto. Just because dive wasn’t full phased out, doesn’t mean that double sniper wasn’t already on the rise *before hanzo’s rework" which was the entire point, BRIG caused the rise of double sniper. not the hanzo rework.
he is a dive hero though. The whole point here was Double sniper rose because brig made dive heros unplayable, genji being one of them.
You tried to push the idea that goats was used to counter snipers and snipers were a part of dive widow was, but hanzo? that’s absolute bs.
Even fellow DPS players hate Hanzo. It’s not a DPS vs. Everyone else issue. Heroes like Widow and Hanzo are hated by everyone.
no they aren’t. they are hated by the vocal minority on the forums.
Plenty of people defend hanzo and widow all the time, people kicking and screaming loudest on the forums doesn’t mean everyone feels the same.
People were going insane when brig came out, there was an entire “delete brig” movement, that doesn’t mean everyone hated her
Heroes like widow and hanzo are hated by the vocal minority. not everyone.
The issue is they scream so loud blizzard caves to shut them up every time.
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A lot of people, even people in high ranks, have spoken out on their stream about hating those heroes. “VoCAl MiNoRiTy On FoRuMs” is not a valid cop-out.
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My point was people from all roles hate him. Not just tank and supports. Your rhetoric is a “DPS vs Tank/Support” and it’s incorrect. Every role complains about him and Widow.
This can be said about the heroes you’re complaining about in tank/support categories, but it’s ironic that you don’t mention that. You’re dishonest with your points. You make claims, never back it up, and then you pull the, “I’m right, you’re wrong, you’re stupid for not knowing this” rhetoric like you have with people before me.
Surely you can’t think that if this many people disagree with you, that everyone is wrong except you lol.
Lots of people in high ranks have defended them as well.
my point wasn’t about hanzo. it was about dps in general being nerfed anytime they are viable. Hanzo isn’t even near the meta right now and they are talking about nerfing him.
when was the last time a dps got nerfed and got huge compensation buffs with it?
I don’t mention them because they usually get insane compensation buffs along with the nerfs. Never has a dps gotten compensation buffs when they were nerfed due to power levels.
when genji got his initial nerfs, they gutted his kit with no buffs
Sigma and orisa got super charged in other areas in exchange for a shield nerf.
THAT is why I don’t mention them.
Whats ironic is you try and frame power redistribution on kits as nerfs.
no im not. You just wanted to be done with a debate we had before and claimed this out of nowhere.
YOU are dishonest with your points claiming I don’t mention nerfs of other heros, but ignoring the fact that they aren’t nerfs, they are power redistributions.
you and one other person disagree with me right now. “this many” you don’t have some mob behind you, calm down there keyboard warrior.
the funny part is both of you did the same things, back tracking shifting goal post and trying to slowly make your point something than the original point.
You’re arguing with low rank smooth brains. They complain about things that aren’t even issues for them, like meta/heroes like widow. I applaud your resolve though.
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It’s a game. Not one of us has citizenship in the first place. 
oh I know, but you know what happens every time? they try and frame statistics as meaning something they don’t, or try to focus on something that isn’t the point.
like andough here trying to hone in on hanzo, when hanzo alone wasn’t the point.
They cant get the point of a simple text statement when its literally shining in their face, I know they aren’t going to understand the complexities of what creates the meta.
Which is fine. But you claiming most of them don’t except for the forums is not correct. 
Because they’re nerfing barriers. All barriers. They’re all getting toned down, so unless they tone Hanzo down, he could very well completely obliterate everyone.
When you make a big balance change, it’s fair to adjust other heroes as a precaution.
I mean, this patch has a buff for Genji and Torb. Just a buff. No nerfs to compensate. Just straight buffs. But I guess we’re ignoring that?
Because he was too powerful. And even after those, after he was “GUTTED”, he was still quite dominant. But, we can also ignore that, too, I guess.
Heroes who are overperforming do not DESERVE compensation buffs. The whole idea is to bring down their power levels. Sometimes a DPS performs too well and dominates too much.
Am I saying all DPS changes are good? No. Rarely have they been good changes. But the same can be said about Supports and Tanks. It’s not a DPS-exclusive issue.
I’ve interacted with you before and I’ve seen how you are responding to other people. You have a “I’m right, you’re wrong, anyone who disagrees is dumb” attitude and it’s hard to have a beneficial discussion with someone with your mentality.
I read about 6 people disagree with you that you’ve gone back and forth with over the past day?
I’m not sure why you felt the need to try to downplay that when it’s in writing and kind of documented?
How did I shift my goal post when that was my first post?! LMAO!!! I don’t think you know what that phrase means, it just seems to make you feel right when you’re not. 
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