Similarly, if there’s a phara, you’re *forced to run a hitscan. If there’s a Genji tearing up your supports, you’re forced to swap to Winston, or Moira, or Brigitte. This isn’t a new phenomenon, it’s just a new hero.
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You go any hero that can reliably deal damage to the Pharah. That’s simple considering the hero roster consists of multiple heroes with long-ranged weapons. Even then, switching is not necessary since you can kill her without long-ranged DPS and you can just opt to go for her team since Pharah is almost never going to be with her team. Wipe her team out and that’s a win. Doom fist on the other hand, counters almost every support, counters heroes with no mobility so basically the entire tank roster excluding Dva and Hammond, has a multitude of escape abilities on relatively short cool downs when compared to other heroes and has the ability to one shot you. Avoiding him is not an option and the only real way to counter him is to play really smart and coordinate extremely well; which is unlikely for most ladder games and to play very specific heroes against him. If you don’t play said heroes and your role is DPS; well the only option left is to try to wipe his team out and then deal with him. At least, that’s how I see it.
Reinhardt is the most picked hero in the game so I don’t think that’s an issue unless the meta doesn’t favor him. Plus, he’s easy to pick up.
You can just rely on any Damage hero to deal with that and not one specific hero which you most likely have to do with Doomfist.
3 heroes; half of a team. Okay, that’s understandable. One hero to change up your entire team though? Honestly can’t relate…
Keep in mind, this is my opinion.
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We were talking about 1v1s but okay…
I’d also like to mention that Doomfist can have 400 hp with his annoying passive, and 500 with brigs ult. :)))
Dude no one is forced to play anything it’s the player that’s in control of who he/she wants to play
Yeah, because if they don’t they lose and it’s all Gucci
Well u lose in a 1v1 against Doomfist then u got out played.
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I come from spawn. Oh no a Doomfist! He kills me because he precharhed his punch ![:slight_smile:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
Ok if I don’t play Brigitte when there’s Genji on the enemy team, my team loses right?
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Let’s play symmetra junkrat zarya Reinhardt Mercy brig into pharah mercy!!!
Genji has many good counters like many tanks, and symmetra Doomfist moira and more
Doomfist has…?
I have another question for you to answer. Which one do u think is better. Complaining about x hero because I don’t like it or trying to improve.
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With my time on sombra I don’t need to improve much, I’ll need to make my playstyle worse by staying in the back line just waiting for Doomfist to come and kill our zen to try to hack him
Df is fine. Git gud.
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And that is PRECISELY why Pharah’s design is so unacceptable.
No. Just no.
Alright u make sound like you hate countering Doomfist right?
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Well… I wouldn’t call it being forced to run a Zarya, but rather forced to make the decision to run a Zarya.
But it’s still not a bad thing because a person can only overcome a difficult adversary by doing what’s necessary to get the better of them instead of running head-on with basic plays.
Doomfist pros exercise incredible capabilities to think outside the box, especially with the way they exploit map geometry to make those crazy and daring leaps. So to deal with such players people like these complainers in this thread need to think as much outside the box as they do. And running an off-tank like Zarya or Roadhog with the express purpose of defending the back from Doomfist is what’s needed to be done.
So if you don’t start out with a hero who can do consistent, long range DPS, you’re screwed. Pharah forces you to play hitscans, or for you to have some serious faith in your Hanzo. Even if you wipe her team once, she’s still going to be picking off your team. She’s going to be building ultimate easily, and no one is going to be able to stop her from doing it.
He only hard counters Zen; Ever other support has consistent and reliable ways to escape him. That is a fact
Winston can leap away. Roadhog Hooks him. Zarya has a barrier that blocks melee damage and gives her damage. Orisa is literally designed to counter him. The only tank that Doomfist reliably counters is Reinhardt, and even then Rein can tank Doomfist’s combo with his shield up.
As for the other immobile heroes, the only ones without a solid defense are Soldier and Sym, who don’t have instant mobility or strong enough CC to stop or escape Doomfist’s combo. McCree is touchy; in a perfect world he’d counter Doomfist, but this is more of McCree being too weak than anything.
Seven seconds is rather long; the only reliable escape ability is Rocket Punch, and even then it has Doomfist standing still to charge for actual Distance (and of course there’s his ult, but he won’t always have his ultimate). Genji, Tracer, Sombra, D.Va, Wrecking Ball, Reaper, Moira, Mercy, Pharah, and several other heroes all have far more reliable escapes.
This has been talked to death, but if Doomfist one-shots you, that’s on you, not him. All the things going against DOomfist when he commits to rocketpunch, and he still hits you? You got outplayed.
Neither is avoiding Winston, D.Va, Genji, Tracer, Wrecking Ball, Pharah…
Sorry, are we still talking about Doomfist? Cuz this holds true for Genji, Tracer, Widow, Sombra, Pharah, every tank, and other heroes.
THe VAST majority of DPS heroes are able to deal with Doomfist, and a subset of them are able to do it reliably. If you don’t play the heroes that are good against Doomfist, you should learn them because if Doomfist is carrying and you can switch to his counter, that’s the match. When Doomfist gets countered, he dies. He has no reason to not die.
If I remember right, Ana is the most picked hero. But even then, Reinhardt can’t guard from two places at once.
I wouldn’t trust the majority of damage heroes to deal with Genji because of his passive mobility, hitbox size, and his abilities. And it still requires the damage heroes to actually hit the target. Furthermore, if it was so easy to deal with Tracer we wouldn’t have Brigitte.
I said “or.” An uncontested Bastion, Torb, or Sym is going to shred your team. You have to deal with the turrets or Bastion. Of course, they’re rarely a problem because we as a playerbase know and accept that an uncontested Bastion, Torb, or Sym is going to cause a problem. It’s part of the reason why they are so weak; no one is going to let a Bastion have free reign.
Doomfist does not require the entire team to change. He does require someone to change and actually focus him; Sombra is best at it, but a McCree stunning Doomfist as he comes in or a Roadhog pulling him to the side as he charges up rocket punch is going to do it too.
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Got any reasoning? If Genji is tearing up your supports, it’s obvious that the DPS and tanks are ignoring him. What do you have to say that’s different?
This threads becoming more one on ones and personal than debating wether Doomfist imwas a bad hero or not, so I’m just gunna request it deleted
It’s almost like this game can enable a bunch of different strategies and team compositions like Dive, Deathball, Goats etc. Causing frustration in the player base leading them to make outlandish claims towards the things they don’t like, while praising what they do like/miss.
With a roster of 28 heroes there is bound to something a player doesn’t like.
Zenyatta’s hate being EMPed
Genji hates getting frozen by Mei (or drained by Moira)
Reaper hates… well everything but you get the idea.
TLDR; Brigitte with 150 Rally armor is worse than any state Doomfist has ever been in.
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Thank you
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