I’m a noob bronze player, and I wanted to main Ashe, but I have better results with Cass or Soldier, by far. So unfortunately, for now, I’ve stopped playing her. I see a few good ones here and there in bronze, but not that many.
This is the worst take ive ever seen on the forums
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I only use Ashe for very specific counters, like when Genji or Phara are both causing my team headaches. Otherwise I go Sojourn for smaller maps, Widow for larger ones.
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Which makes her get outdone by S*itowmaker because she only needs one shot instead of two. There are just too many counters to Ashe on top of similar characters just being more useful or far easier to get value.
1 scoped headshot + 1 unscoped body shot has a faster time to kill vs. squishies, though range might be a factor. She can 1-tap tracer if the Ashe player is good enough.
I’m pretty sure, that statement holds truth in Bronze/Silver.
Ashe is one of the very best dps in the game. If you can learn to position and learn to take cover and peek shoot, ashe is really good. My tip to anyone trying ti play ashe is beware hanzo, DO NOT peek fight a hanzo because he has the advantage. I highly suggest you instead reposition and make space so he has a hard time shooting you. Another tip is to never stop moving with ashe, when you are slowing down to shoot the dynamite, you guys have no idea how much easier it is to shoot ashe in the face. Learn how to shoot that thing from the hip every single time and if you don’t hit it then it’s fine, you will get another. The trick to ashe is to never stand still.
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First of all, Cowboy fits just fine 
I get that… But to me, she doesn’t. I look at her kit differently than everyone else. What I like about her is that NOTHING (other than her ult, BOB) is free. Most people who play OW look at this as a negative.
What I mean by this is that with Ashe, you get nothing for free and nothing is easy. No get out of jail cards. No BS. No cheap freebie abiliities.
You have to land headshots on fast moving A-D spamming heroes, or you fail at using her, period.
Her dynamite is 100% useless unless you aim it, shoot it while it’s moving midair, and time your shot on it perfetly at a perfect height… a FAR cry from most heroes who tend to have either a simple 1-touch secondary damage ability or something you just have to aim where you land, but that’s it… Soujourn for example, her Disruptor lacks any kind of need for skill expression, it’s basically just free.
Ashe, you have to CONSTANTLY manage resources… Slow reload. Always low on ammo, always managing ammo. And your Coach Gun is the most important resource to manage… It’s on SUCH a ridiculously long cooldown… 10s… And once it’s gone, you are a sitting duck… it’s your only means of escape and it only allows you to escape if you reverse aim yourself perfectly somewhere, which also is very mechanical in terms of skill in comparison to every other hero with their one-touch, automatic, easy survive abilties… all on much shorter cooldowns than Coach.
Her ult is free, I mean, it’s super easy to use and then you get free damage if you use it wisely, but imo, ults are supposed to be like that because you earn them. Plus, like most ults, there are a billion counters to Bob… Hack, Wall, Pin, Sheild, Sleep, Jav Spin, Boop, Coach Gun actually, etc… Anything to move him in a bad spot, off the map, or block him in some way…
So to me, she lacks flavor, yes, but I love that she’s one of the only heroes in the game witbout anything cheap. She’s also soooo slow, so if you die, just getting back to point from spawn takes so much longer and that alone puts you at a severe disadvantage to many other heroes with fast ways to get back to point.
So overall, I guess what I like about her is that she is so much harder to play than any other DPS imo, which makes me weird… Most ppl like whatever is easy.
I definitley see why you say this and I’m not saying it’s invalid. But I don’t fully agree. The thing is, to get good with Widow, or Cass, or Ashe, you have to practice playing those heroes specifically, a ton. They all have a very, very different feel to their aim. If I am rusty on Cass and haven’t played him in even just a week or so, I can’t hit a dang shot with him… Same with Widow… And a ton of people feel that way about Ashe, they struggle to hit shots, even if they are good with Widow or Cass… I see the similarities you mean, but they each just take so much specific and invdividual practice, imo.
I know… and I hate that a Sombra, good or bad, can easily make playing Ashe almost impossible… Counters are part of the game, but when the counter is invisible, lol, I mean, what can you do? I know everyone says, “stay near your team”… But you can’t play Ashe from the center of your team standing clumped up … and if you do, you better hope the 2nd ememy dps isn’t pharah or junk because you’re just gonna get team wiped over and over…
Ashe is def one of those heroes you can get rusty on quick… Same with Hanzo imo… Even 2 days off and my Ashe aim is way off until I play for an hour or so… maybe longer, but I get a free pass on warmup time bc I’m old 
Assuming you mean, you know about “Aim Recoil Compensation”… I turn it off, I HATE it and it helps me hit shots so much more with Ashe with it off. But yeah, her gun is janky… I didn’t like it at first, but now it’s kind of what I like about it… You get into a rythem with it, but yeah, I hear you.
I don’t think he is… others might disagree, but often, those very same people will play Cass far more willingly than Ashe. Cass’s magnet is easier to land, it helps get some more sure kills, and has a slowing effect… His alt fire is a sheild buster and tank threat. His roll has it’s stegnths, esp in close combat… And he can deal with Tracer’s, Genji’s, Sombra’s, and notably, Doom’s a lot easier than Ashe. Even Mei’s, Moira’s, Lucio’s are easier to deal with using Cass comparied to Ashe. Pharah, Echo, I’d rather Ashe, but most prefer Cass. His only weaknesses compared to Ashe are a measly 5m of range and lack of getting to highground, which is the biggest drawback. Overall, ppl complain about Cass right now, but I think he is objectively a better pick more often than Ashe, but I aso agree with them that he is in a bad spot overall… I just think Ashe is even in a very slightly worse spot.
Definitley… Actually, I think he brings quite a bit more than just that… Self-heal, yeah, that’s insanley huge… Imagine if Ashe could self-heal? Omg, I can’t even imagine… I prob wouldn’t use her because to me it just doesn’t seem fair… But I do use Soldier when I’m totally getting outplayed by the enemy DPS, and I’m sure if I mained him, my win rate would improve a lot… He’s def my goto fail-safe. Just his sprint alone, is so huge in so many ways… Dealing with mobile heroes… getting back from spawn to point twice as fast as Ashe, etc. And his helix makes dealing with Sombra’s and Tracer’s and Moira’s so much easier… Plus, his spray gun is so much more forgiving than Ashe’s primary… by miles.
That’s what I mean… Ashe, imo, is at such a balance disadvantage compared to so many DPS heroes and I never see people actually main her other than me… I really think they should at least reduce her Coach gun CD to 8s… 10s in this new age OW2 world is really long and so much longer than every othe heroes similar abilities. Sojourn can slide every 7 seconds, but Ashe’s Coach has to be 10s? Cass’s roll, 6s. Hanzo unlimited wall climb and lunge every 4s. Soldier unlimited sprint… Like why do the devs punish the Ashe so much, I don’t get it.
Prob true… I def can’t play Widow very well.
Cheers to another Ashe main 
So do you stick with her against pretty much all comps you face? Somras, Tracers, Dooms, DPS Moiras, etc., etc., etc.?
Agreed… And the other thing about her is that it always seems like everyone HATES her… Like when I play Ashe, I get targeted and focused by everyone so much more than if I play another hero. I get solo-ulted almost every match, but not if I play other heroes. It seems like Ashe is the first priority and easiest target to go after for so many enemy heroes… Genjis, Sombras and Dooms literally just obsess over you if you play Ashe, as if killing you is literally all they care about… But it’s not like that if I use other heroes at all. Ig it’s bc she is a sitting duck. Wait for her to use her Coach and she is helpless for 10 full seconds…
Yeah, I know most Ashe’s love the pocket… I prefer not to have it… But yeah, def, there are so many better alternatives… That’s what I mean… She is really not balanced at all. So people always go the easy route. She needs buffs imo.
That was before my time… What did they change? You mean the falloff nerfs?
Hey cheers to the noob player in bronze… it’s NOT easy!!! I was there for a full year and this game is seriously the most noob-unfriendly game in the history of FPS shooters, I swear. Just the total carelessness of the devs regarding smurfing makes it tough… But also, the god awful total ignoring of the matching experience at low ranks. The devs don’t care what new players go though and the community (mostly, but not always) treats noobs like subhuman garbage… So it’s a rough adventure, but hang in there, it get’s a lot better with lots of reps.
Yep, agreed. I really do feel like Alec Dawson, or someone up there in charge, just despises Ashe.
Well, yes, but also no, and I get your point, but also that’s not what I meant. (lol, that prob didn’t make sense, but read below)
By no, I mean, a scoped headshot is 150 dmg, and an unscoped bodyshot is 40 dmg… That’s 190, not enough to kill a full HP squishy other than Tracer, Widow.
By missing my point though, what I mean is that a scoped headshot + a scoped bodyshot (150+70=220) very rarely results in an actual kill on a full HP squishy these days because the healing sustain in the game is so high. You have to put 300 dmg into a squishy very quickly these days in order to close actual kills because there is so much healing going on at all times, 220 dmg is pretty much useless most of the time lately.
But do you play Ashe against all comps? Can you stick with her in a match (at your rank where you, personally, are about evenly matched with the whole lobby) against a large variety of enemy comps, or pretty much all of them? Also, at what rank, because as I mentioned, Ashe is a lot easier to play if I am playing in a higher ranked lobby… Support is SOOOO good in higher ranked lobbies, it’s crazy… You get so, so, so much more help from your team.
I ask because so many people will say she is one of the best in the game… but do they actually play her? Do they refrain from swapping away from her for the most part? Or do they swap on the slighest whim of facing a counter? In my experience, the people who say she is so good, actually are very quick to swap off of her for almost any of 1000 reasons… Just curious… Not emo-challanging your response or anything, just honestly curious. 
But onto your points, I totally agree… you have to keep moving… constantly rotate… never be predictable… and yes, never, ever shoot your dynamite while scoped and standing still unless you are 100% behind cover… I shoot my dynamites from the hip while moving left or right most of the time, but I coach myself up in the air, toss it and then shoot it on the way down probably 20-25% of the time also… I practice doing that in warmup everyday and have put a lot of hours into it over the last couple of years so that I can do it and hit it every time.
Yeah, Hanzos I like to try to start off by burning them before getting into any kind of aiming duo… The burn usually throws their aim off.
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You can play her in low ranks she’s just a lot harder because she has a low firerate compared to soldier and cassidy.
Which means shes punished more for missing similarily to sojourn and widow so she doesn’t have as much staying power in lower lobbies.
She actually a decent amount of survivability she is often picked in the OWL OW1 over cassidy because the coach gun adds alot of survivability and mobility compared to cassidy.
Its nothing to do with that you can unranked to gm on any hero all you need is aim and positioning.
Agreed.
Oh my god, I NEVER, EVER see her get picked in OWL… I mean, Ive only been around for 2.5 yrs, but I saw her get picked ONCE. Literally, one time. Ever. Maybe she was picked more just before I started playing OW, though… Or maybe I have just somehow missed when she is played by some crazy chance… But same for World Cups, I literally never see her get used.
Yeah, of course if you are at a GM skill level, you can rank up to GM. That means exactly zero though. I’m talking about people who are playing the game at their own rank, whatever their rank happens to be… and using Ashe to do it. Not people playing at ranks below their rank. Someone who is GM playing at Gold, Plat, Diamonds, Master has nothing to do with it at all. That’s just a smurf smurfing, and nothig more.
So help from your team definitely has a lot to do with your hero choice when you are actually playing the game against other people at your own rank and not smurfing.
Don’t get me wrong, I never, ever, ever blame my teammates. Like literally, I’ve never blamed a teammate before a single time, unless they openly threw the match and admitted they were throwing on purpose, or they left the match. Otherwise, not even a single time.
What I’m saying is, as a Silver/(Gold 5 twice on last game of season, twice, then rank decayed down) player, when I get put into a lobby with all Plats/Diamonds, which is amazingly very often in QP, I can play Ashe a lot more easily. I mean, you get healed. In Silver lobbies, you get healed some, you don’t some, and if you do get healed, it’s gonna be by a Support player that’s doing no damage at all the whole match, so it’s all on you… It’s just different… You get a ton more help in higher ranks, which is totally normal, it’s just a higher level… but it makes playing Ashe so much easier.
Well the whole point is you have to be playing at above your rank to rankup so if you’re not you wont rankup anyway.
I meant sojourn instead of soldier by the way only just noticed the mistake.
Lol not toxic but this has to be the longest post I’ve ever seen in my life! 
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I am Ashe main.
Masters.
imo, they need to add a indicator before u ult with ashe of where bob is gonna land, i swear he slips and slides into random corners where he’s behind a wall just standing there. i kinda want what lifeweaver has, yk how u press q, u see where ur gonna place the ult, and then u “confirm” that’s what ashe needs with bob. a confirm function where u can SEE where bob is gonna go. that would be a big qol change imo.
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The S9 changes are about to throw a wrench in the works. Ashe’s dynamite with the new DPS passive that applies a 20% heal nerf on top of the +50 life boost will be mixing things up a lot. The new global heal passive isn’t too bad either.
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agreed… that was the first thing that went through my mind when I saw that part of the leaks… dynamite 
Yep… so one person answered yes… That sounds about right.
well since we are talking about ashe, ill just post my favorite ashe montage of all time
https://youtu.be/YCkkovkU78E?si=tjCLaf00jQzc7SuY
of course i have my own corny low budge ashe videos
https://youtu.be/uI-s7j5G8M4?si=rZF9LQJejk0ldzMr
https://youtu.be/Z4Wq07_Ll-0?si=BSPOfEeik_6qk4k4
https://youtu.be/gYCt11JD510?si=yhNSR3NWRwMBwE0V
https://youtu.be/Z6ZPqgYq1fs?si=6s8P-n1os1SsBJIw
https://youtu.be/8DcIMeJjxac?si=BQP54MNt57dgHufA
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If you can hit your head shots, Ashe is good. Of course, if you can hit headshots, then you should play Widow or Sojourn instead.
Nobody mains Ashe.
“Ashe” mains are just B.O.B. mains warming up to summon their real hero.
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I guess I main Ashe when I play dps. She is one of my go to picks when playing dps. I don’t really play dps in comp but I’m gold. The supports in gold/silver are not good so I wouldn’t say I get much support. I definitely don’t get a mercy pocket often but when I do it is so good. I think her survivability is fine. She can knock people away and move herself. Her survivability is way better than Widow’s. I guess it’s because I know how to position well when I pay attention to where I stand. You have to really hug corners.