Do you think orisa can defeat doomfist if the time comes

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“Nothing personel kid”

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Reaper: “joins in” don’t forget, you are the one responsable for this : D

Well it’s quite clear in her lore video that she can stop an SUV by just touching it’s hood, so insert someone’s bald head there and you got an idea what she can do to a human lol.

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Im sure doomfist is more than capable of handling orisa like i thought before she would probably be better off having some help along the way

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By scrathing her paint with punches that has no effect on her, or with world’s most puny weak shotgun that barely can do anything against armor ?
Or a godlike ultimate that can be blocked by her shield ?

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1v1 is quite different from a team fight. But even in a 1v1, you bait out anti-CC and she’s dead. Until then, keep distance :stuck_out_tongue:

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lel you can’t bait out a good Orisa, i personally simply dosen’t use it untill he actually starts charging or get close enough, untill then he is a very big and simple target to shoot that dies very quickly from about 15-20 headshots.

And if he manage to get close halting him to the ground is basicly ensuring his death since even if your aim not really decent his head is always before your very face asking to shoot it.

So good DF indeed can handle Orisa… if she dosen’t have any idea what shes doing and miss more than a half of her shots, but good Orisa have 0 reasons to ever be afraid of any kind of DF in a 1 v 1 situation.

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I mean orisa can literally stop a speeding car and rip apart it’s front with her bare hands so I think she should stand somewhat of a chance. (Not to mention her upgrades.)

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I have loads of thoughts regarding those two xD.

I imagine she can at least prove formidable against him at this point, maybe even using memories of the previous OR-14’s fight with him to have analysed his fighting style & even to enact vengeance for them?

Buuuuuut, as she is kinda the perfect analogy for his outlook on the world, I imagine he’s going to try & convince her to join him.

& she well could, depending on how it’s done; whether she is coerced into believing she is this pinnacle of progress, or DF promises to teach her about the world (who better to learn from than a clear adversary?) or he will threaten to take Efi instead & Orisa will offer herself in her place.

To put those super briefly. :smiley:

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I bet is she agrees on that, they will shake hands but then she will goes like: but why Talon will needs you then ? “and rips his hand off along side with the gauntlet” i think i can provide much more use to them then you do, after all it is you who is responsable for my strengh.

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Uh, that’s a bit too cocky, knowledgeable & downright macabre for someone like Orisa…
& if that’s the case, then their conflict ends immediately. Great. Woo.

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“Fist bump!” - Orisa

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Well she is a quick learner after all, i think one fight with him and a long conversation will be enough to her to understand that such man with his belives and philosophy is too dangerous to take chances with, so “disarming” him (not even sorry for that lol) would be mandatory to ensure he won’t make any funny moves on her in a future.

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Wow. Again, you have no idea how to construct a character arc xD.
Or you’re just not seeing who these characters are & just imagining everyone as dark, logical killing machines…

She isn’t that quick of a learner, & she is emotionally way too young to even consider the idea of murdering / maiming someone in cold blood. She’s also way too nice, duh.
If he invites her to join, he’s likely going to show her a world-view that she can agree on; why would he paint himself out to be a genuinely evil person?

You also just basically removed Doomfist from the canon after one fight & a long chat. Maybe make a conflict last more than a few minutes maybe? What a waste of time xD.

Also, how is she powerful enough to rip a prosthetic arm, covered with a giant mechanical gauntlet, clean off the body of a large man?

Sigh.

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Just because she embodies his philosophy, that doesn’t make her the new Doomfist.
That logic is so beyond flawed xD.

The fist bump line is pretty gold though xD.

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Exucuse me wut is that ?

And Do you honestly belive that after smashing all those bots, stealing from her home city and being in TERRORIST organization he NEEDS to paint himself as evil person ?
She is young yes, but she is an omnic with a quick learn A.I so yeah i think she can figure out that he isn’t exactly going to be her best friend lol.
So no matter how generally nice she is to people she will definitely prioritize her own safety and the safety of Numbani along side her creator over simply being polite and don’t kill anybody.

I worked with heavy machinery that specializes in truck maintenece and belive me when i say ,those robotic hydraulics arms are VERY POWERFULL, riping flesh and metal is nothing to them and that’s modern technology imagine what kind of power stores in Orisa’s hands so many years in the future.

Well why not ? After all that conflict between them can be just a starter point to Orisa’s lore, would be quite an iteresting turn of the plot if she just straight up replace him pretty much like she did when everyone was waiting his release lol.

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Wut is what?

She likely already sees him as evil, he’s probably going to justify his actions & paint his overall world-view & intentions (progress the state of the world through war) as ultimately good for the world; he cares about the ends, not the means.

I think she could figure out they’re not going to be friends, duh; that doesn’t mean she’s suddenly going to just drop her moral ideology & just maim a guy that she just agreed to work with…
Especially when that conversation about her joining him would come after her not being able to defeat him in combat & him showing her mercy?
Hey, mercy isn’t evil; this guy may be more complicated than he first appears!

She also doesn’t have to like him or agree with him to be brought into Talon; as I pointed out she could be coerced against her will or best intentions.

Is Orisa’s working arm that powerful? Wouldn’t DF’s prosthetic be equally as powerful also, while being covered with an even more powerful gauntlet?

Why not? Because that’s terrible character writing. It’s also hugely detrimental to the overall plot so…
He’s already a starting point to her lore…are you serious?
Yeah it would be interesting for a moment until you realise it’s wasted an entire character & doesn’t make sense for the other one xD.

Mehhhhhhhhhhh.

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Wich is exactly enough for her to agree with his end goal but disagree with his means wich leads to the scene i described in the begining, you only making it more solid.

Who said she has one ? There is an iteraction when she litterally asks Tracer if it wrong or not to dissobey the law sometimes when it’s needed and Tracer basicly says: yes.
So she only begining to understand such things wich means talking with a man who dosen’t exactly enthusiastic about leaving people that proves to be useless to him alive would kinda teach her to do the exact same thing if he proves his point.

Not really, he only has a gauntlet and his body is still flesh and bones, Orisa is pure metal and definitely have more bodymass wich means she simply already have an edge in such direct strengh competition, if he attepmt to use an RP like he does in the game a.k.a Flying with his gauntlet in front without even touching the ground she dosen’t really have to do anything besides standing still with fortify.
All that force and momentum he had will go directly back to his hand breaking his arm bones and most likely completly displacing his shoulde.

And even if tries it by standing still his overall mass will simply won’t be enough to even move her a bit, that’s kinda the reason why fighters in a fair match requires to have an equal body weight.

Well sorry if you feel that way, but i simply dosen’t feel any need in him, i get what he tried to say i understand that philosophy and what he tries to achive, i simply think Orisa would be a more interesting character for all this and her childish personality would simply make the whole proccess more unexpected with more unusual decisions along the way.
Plus imagine what kind of effect she will make on other members of talon, Reaper will feel much better with daily portion of hugs : 3

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Why would she rip his arm off for not agreeing with his means?

She has kinda pointed out that she has one; she stands for protection & preventing harm to others. Her view on law is unimportant compared to her view on actions.
She’s also not going to come to the point of maiming someone, despite understanding their viewpoint within the space of a conversation…

His arm is actually a prosthetic.
He’s also been stated to have been able to punch down a skyscraper…
Do the maths on that one.
If that situation were the case then he’d have punched one person once & his entire career would be over…he punches stuff like that all the time.

You see no need in him?
The primary antagonist of the story’s focal conflict?
The one with an actually defined philosophy, goal & motivations?
OK, fine.

Orisa can certainly be an interesting & even morally grey character that could access Talon, but why do you have to essentially destroy their leader in order to do that?
& why would she have the same motivations as him?
Your entire point is that she wouldn’t, but then that it’d be more interesting if she did…riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Talk about believable, consistent characteristics xD.

Yes, she would be an amazing contrast within Talon, this is possibly the first time we will agree on something. :smiley:

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You just answered it yourself matie.
If she takes his main weapon away along side with arm that weilds he will no longer be able to inflict any harm on her or people she cares about, you know a perfectly exucuted protection.

And going a little off topic that also ironicly well working in the gameplay sense, agressive Orisa>defencive Orisa, i always found her way more fun and rewarding when you actively suppressing the enemy and chasing them down cutting off their mobility and dealing as much damage as possible, wich of course includes DF as well there is no point to let him live when you have a chance to chase and finish him ensuring that he isn’t coming back for your teammates when you not ready lol.

That’s still cannot be confirmed unless you think a word from 7-10 year old kid is a solid fact lol.
And that can simply mean he didn’t simply punched a building from outside and it colapsed, he could simply use the gauntlet to destroy the weak supporting points that results in it’s fall, but that ain’t gonna help against the target that simply refuse to move and can edure a punching pressure.

Because it’s what’s he did, he killed previous DF to become one, and she indeed probably won’t kill him and show some more mercy, but if he actually tells her all that and convince her to stand on such way i don’t think she will be OK with him as fully functioning and still dangerous leader.

She may not be a simple robot and have a unique personality with an ability to make her own decisions but she still an A.I that prefers logic over morality, and by that there is no reason for her to left him be as it is capable of causing troubles to her in the future.

Exactly, i myself find her not so consistant straight forward character as many would say.
Because some of her lines is… well definitelly tells more than you can see on the surface like: i was programmed to avoid violence, however i have made an exeption… wich is basicly her saying: to hell with the 1st law, i will kill if i need to :D.

So yeah we can indeed agree on something, but hey there won’t be that long interesting conversation if we would agree on everything eh ?
Don’t get me wrong i don’t want to say your point is invalid i simply tries to show why i think differently and i appreciate someone who can do the same without raging and yelling lol.

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I feel if she were to rip his arm off she’d then be agreeing to his moral philosophy regarding means moreso than her own.
I feel she should struggle more with the “exception regarding violence” rather than, as you say, merely admitting it.
Because it is interesting to hear, but in-game voicelines are dubious as to their canonicity at best & it’s kinda shallow character development that we just get that kind of thing stated, rather than explored. Sense?

Despite your preferences on her gameplay style, she is both in-game & in-world much more of a defensively-minded character that would seemingly prefer that no-one came to any harm in order to rectify a situation (I agree offensive Orisa has huge merit though xD).
If she were to grow over time into making the decision to put DF down for good, I’d be down with it; I just don’t think it should be something she can come to so immediately.
You’ve got nice ideas, I just think you’re rushing them xD.

Yeah the skyscraper thing is also dubious xD we can even just take the fact that he does what he does to mean that it’s effective. The guy punched out of a jail cell with just his prosthetic arm; it means he’s designed to be able to work as intended.
Also, he definitely punches crazy heavy things in-game, including non-Fortify Orisa.

I don’t think she puts logic over morality, part of her character arc is seemingly coming to realise that the dilemma exists between them & to question how these things are important.
Again, if these changes happened over time I’d find them a lot more believable; they’d feel less like inconsistencies & more like emergent character growth.

Haha yeah you’re right yo :smiley: this certainly has been interesting, I do like your ideas but I just feel we need to grow into them rather than have them happen out of nowhere. :smiley:
It’s way better to actually hash it out rather than rage yus :slight_smile: much love to you!

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