Every hero should be viable.
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If Bastion isn’t viable, how come Surefour has a 80% WR with him at GM?
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He isnt a good pick overall, other heroes work better than him,
Bastion can be just as viable as any other hero in the game.
At the moment hanzo is his only problem.
Due to storm arrow being a kill on bastion in sentry mode.
Removing self heal from tank and sentry, but buffing his damage resistance would make him viable.
Now that his damage drop gets better.
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I don’t think Bastion needs to be buffed, but reworked to be less “niche” and not just used on pirate ship.
Bastion damage output is too high and he melts everyone who appears in front of him in seconds.
In my opinion, he is a very hard hero to balance with his current design
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never gonna happen this isn’t a fighting game where if you get good you can just out skill your opponent. even some of the worlds best widowmakers have to swap when double shield comes around. There is meta for a reason, its the best thing you can do. There will always be 6 or 7 best heros, 4-5 that can swap between those heros, and then those who just don’t fit meta.
Blizzard will always try to buff those who aren’t in meta and nerf those who are to create a balance where all heros are viable, creating a endless constant meta shift. Even if the game is balanced, you cant balance teamwork there will always be meta, and there will always be heros who are and aren’t good in said meta. The only way to stop this is a pick and ban system for seasons or matches where people can lock you from certain heros. But blizzard cant do that because of the games “swap to counter” nature.
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Bastion is the kind of hero you don’t notice unless he’s being supported by his team…
…then it’s ‘OMG WE NEED TO FOCUS THE BASTION!!!’
I think he’s in a pretty good place. Too easy for him to become OP.
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Yes I want Bastion viable.
However the reason why he became overpowered in his rework was because his counters were shuffled up and some of his weakness was completely removed until the nerf hit.
Ironclad was a terrible idea because it granted him protection that did not care about direction and was most effective against his existing counters. It did not make him better at his job while retaining his counters, it just made him more durable against everything.
He paid for this in ability to perform his intended tank busting role. Causing tanks to become some of his better counters.
Really what Bstion needs is a revert to tank and sentry. Get rid of Ironclad and all the changes it lead to Bastion on sentry and tank. This will get his tank busting role back. As well as make tank mode not a liability.
After that? Test him with a weaker version of his forward shield from beta. The goal is to make him able to hold space in front of him, especially against his intended targets of tanks, while maintaining his vulnerability to splash damage characters and flankers. A forward shield also means that he wont benefit from pocket healing, it also means that he gains some independence from tanks and can even help escort tanks into combat as he could setup just behind a reinhardt and reinhardt can be free to change his shield facing.
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With half of the team surrending the match to you, you can have fun, yes.
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Please no.
That’d break the little survivability he has left
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Read the rest of the comment next time?
“I don’t want my most hated hero buffed because I don’t want to see them as a viable pick.”
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Bastion needs to be buffed, if it takes a rework then so be it.
As for him being OP if a team builds around him, so is any hero with a team pocketing them.
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The most they can do is tighten up his spread and give his headshots back on sentry, albiet with a x1.5 modifier so that headshots aren’t so overkill.
Most of his damage is wasted because of the spread he has now, and if he’s able to hit more of his shots to kill an enemy, then his ammo can be reduced from 300 to 200.
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I did read it. Still stand by my comment.
Self heal is what makes bastion’s little survivability.
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No? His ironclad is what makes him survive.
Self healing is what is used to be able to get back in a fight after surviving it.
People want this mythical balance utopia where everyone has identical pick rates and win rates…reality is that will never happen and some characters will always stand out while others just don’t…there is too much interaction between character abilities for that happen…every tiny little change conversely affects 20 other things and it basically just creates yet more unbalance…
The kicker here is that balance while nice isn’t inherently as important to the game as one would think…this game has been “unbalanced” for as long as it’s existed…if it was such a huge problem nobody would play it…you just adapt to the situation 
It’s sad to me that the second Sombra gets really bad, people are super insistent that she gets buffs, but Bastion has been just as bad for roughly 500 days and a lot of people want him to stay like that.
#FeelsBastionMan
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The best way to buff Bastion is likely in non-direct combat abilties.
IMO the best suggestion I’ve seen for him was about giving him a “tactical scoot” in sentry form. He’d be able to dash a few meters in one direction in sentry form on a medium cooldown (~6-8 seconds?). This would increase his mobility ever so slightly in sentry form.
Or I also saw a suggestion for active camouflage (like the Predator) for when he’s in sentry mode, that could also work.
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Nope. Iron clad is too low for that.
And for buffing it…You remember when it was 35% ? Unkillable.