I said they were better than Doom. I never said they were actually great options. Like I said earlier, Winston is the best one, but even he can’t do anything if the Zen has even a little bit of support.
Also, reminder:
I don’t think Zen should be nerfed. I think power should be shifted out of Discord, in the form of giving it some kind of down time (even if it’s just per-target down time, like it stays on them for 6 seconds, then can’t be used on that target again for 6 seconds) in exchange for better survivability. I would hope these changes would be power-neutral as much as possible.
Zen is totally counterable by the DPS roster in particular and it’s not even that hard. It’s just frustrating that tanks have such limited options to deal with being discorded. This is especially problematic when tanks are both the easiest targets to discord AND the targets that you get the most value out of discording, therefore meaning it’s going to be stuck on the tank all day long.
Yeah the Swift Step could not be enough, maybe add another Healing Orb so he has 2 but with a CD for the second one or something like that. I wouldn’t buff his damage.
But they are. Being able to dive and move out of LOS are two things that make it a ton easier to play against a Zen. And if a tank has support alongside them when they’re flanking, they are going to outdamage to healing done to keep Zen alive since he alone has no self sustain abilities.
Lucio and any of the mentioned tanks are great into Zen, Kiriko for cleansing is good, or just any flanking DPS.
Rein’s shield alone blocks him from being Discorded, so as long as he doesnt run in without his shield until Zen’s being pressured, he has a a chance as well.
I think Discord is fine as is. It is Zen’s strongest tool because its either that or you buff his healing, which combined with his damage could already create an entirely new problem.
You’re wrong. I have like 100+ hours on Rein who is one of the worst tanks to play into Zen, and most of it was in OWI when you almost never had a solo main healer pocket, had less health and weaker armour, and only had one fire-strike so you couldn’t poke him into unpeeking, and there was no charge cancel making it very risky to use that to close the distance. You could regularly be solo-melted by a Zen forget a co-ordinated team focus-firing you.
And I never thought to whine about it.
If you spend all your time whining about Discord, or Widowmaker, or Pharmercy or whatever it’s some big, fat copium.
You’re just bad.
Nothing is making it bad to play Tank in OW2 in fact tank queues have never been healthier. People love playing tank, and a good tank can stomp an entire lobby and run the other team back to spawn on the regular, and people climb on every tank, and solo-carry games up to Top 500 lobbies and whatever you think is unfair or broken doesn’t stop them.
We are talking about overwatch two here buddy. Your ow1 experience means nothing and doesn’t say anything about the current meta.
There were two tanks to shoot and a lot of shield. It’s funny that you played 100+ hours on rein and didn’t figure it out.
Hm, people love playing tanks, you sure buddy? What was the last time you saw top 500 tanks speaking about the zen situation? I’ll tell you, never saw them, cuz you are clueless and you really don’t know what you are talking about.
The problem is toggles in general. Things need to be progressively applying. Like you should be discorded for a full second to reach the discord max value. A linear or step interpolation.
If this is true then what are you complaining about? You’ve already proven you can climb to the top in spite of Discord. Even against the best, and most co-ordinated teams playing the game. You literally have nothing to whine about.
What makes you think that all complaining is about not being able to climb? Do you understand that zen permanently cancels the single tank in the game? It’s so broken.
What coordination can cancel the zen orb? Let’s say I am a poor ramatra pugging, what coordination can help me to deal with zen orb?
It’s because you speak about a problem that you don’t understand.
Do you understand that zen permanently cancels the single tank in the game? It’s so broken.
How did you climb to GM then?
What coordination can cancel the zen orb? Let’s say I am a poor ramatra pugging, what coordination can help me to deal with zen orb?
I was actually talking about the enemy team’s ability to focus you when Discorded. Which you obviously don’t have a problem with, being a GM tank who has climbed to the top 1% of the game’s player-base in spite of Discord.
Omfg… are you trolling me or what? Who is talking about climbing?
Again, you are talking about topics that you don’t understand. Zen has 55% winrate in masters and gm, and zen has the highest winrate in the entire game.
Omfg… are you trolling me or what? Who is talking about climbing?
You say, and I quote, ‘zen permanently cancels the single tank in the game? It’s so broken.’
But somehow despite anyone being able to cancel you by switching to Zen and pressing a button you’ve won enough games solo queuing as a tank player to climb to GM.
If you don’t see how these two claims don’t sync up you’re the one who is trolling here.
A lot of healers are playing zen now cause yall nerf mercy into the ground. First yall took her mass rez away then yall nerf her one rez ability to a 24 second cooldown. Yall nerf her walking speed and flying speed and now nerf her guardian angel. Zen is more fun to play then mercy now. Yall scream for mercy to get nerf so yall getting what yall want.