Difference between bronze and whatever else is enormous

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Getting out of bronze is possible lmao, I got out of it earlier this season, soloq only (and then stopped playing because of personal reasons)

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It’s called a metaphor, which is not exactly comparison. I wasn’t expecting anyone thinking otherwise.

Bill Gates to Ethiopia is in a huge scale what a Masters player is to Bronze. He (not for real though). He can easily say - “I was legit poor once. Had nothing. But through hard work and effort - look at me now. You Ethiopians just suck”. And then they could respond “But it’s really hard here.” Then BG’s natural response: “QQ”.

All I’m trying to say with that it that when you (by no choice) are on a high horse can’t look at different worlds from your perspective. I know it’s hard to listen to other people’s experiences and think even for a second that they might be right, but it sometimes helps a discussion a lot.

@Kirino That’s because you’re amazing. Can we acknowledge that now and just drop it?

In any field when someone up top says “I can do it - you can do it” it always sounds BS. Yeah you did it with premade friends or something. Or if now - you’re a masters level player - is that what it takes to “easily get out of bronze”? Being a masters level player?

Anyway, no point in continuing this discussion. The whole forum is riddled with people constantly saying what I’m saying, and yet - we’re all delusional, because the M and GM and Diamond’s players kind of disagree.

People share their personal experience and then people who have only seen that Bronze plays on a picture (or once back in 1996) claim “No! U Lie!”.

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Again I did it… solo q I don’t stack and I’m not a master player. I ended the season in gold after pouring a lot of hours in comp.

Being in bronze in the past I know exactly how it as I’ve experienced it.

It took me 4 seasons to get do diamond i waa hard stuck gold then hard stuck plat.

Your whole argument falls with just using me as an example.

I’m not saying it’s an easy climb out of bronze if your skill level isn’t way above it… but if you pour in the time and actually work on improving you’ll eventually climb…

That ofcourse if you don’t have a disability hindering you from performing well or bad setup/internet connection.

Your profile is private which is a shame but I’d love to watch a vod of yours especially if you main the tank role. I can also give out tips on support role… and general advice on dps mostly soldier/junk as I’m not actually good at the rest

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So what do you recommend for someone who’s never been able to crest even 1000 SR without getting carried?

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there’s a big difference. hundreds of us have climbed out of bronze. bill gates has never been stuck in africa without his money

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  1. Practice better positioning. At all times - even in down times between fights - ask yourself if your position is a) safe and b) enabling you to do your job. E.g. If you’re a healer and see a DPS way out of position taking damage, let them die rather than giving up your own life. Your life is more important. At the very least you are not feeding the enemy as much ult charge as you would if you gave your life away. Additionally, if you die after that silly DPS does, it’s just that little bit longer that your team has to wait for you to respawn and group up with them. At best you may be able to help the rest of your team and still win the fight. This mindset actually applies to all roles, but particularly for healers and tanks who sometimes feel pressured to try to help doomed team mates.

  2. Improve your aim. Even if you play tanks and healers better aim will help. If you’re so inclined you can practice various types of aiming (flick, tracking, projectiles etc.) in custom games against bots (not super helpful) or dueling other players.

  3. (Probably the hardest) Stay positive and have fun. I doubt many people of any skill level climb when they are not having fun. And even if you do climb, what’s the point if you’re not having fun? Remember that not every game is winnable. Don’t worry if you lose a couple. Keep focussing on your own play. If you played well (you have to be realistic) but your team lost, be happy because if you continue that, you will climb. If you think your team is trash, don’t worry about them, just focus on your own job. Which brings me to…

  4. Only do your job. Don’t try to do everyone elses jobs (i.e. don’t try to solo carry). Unless you are waaaay better than the opposition you won’t be able to carry like that. If you can carry like that you don’t need tips on how to get out of bronze. Especially not from me.

There’s nothing here that hasn’t been posted a bunch of times, but I hope it helps.

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btw, i fell to 700 attempting to play widow after placing 1600 and climbing to 1900 on my first account. I know all about bronze. the place where you need to be able to carry 80% to guarantee that you win because players leave the game. and where losing the first fight is almost autoloss cause they love to throw. bronze is hell, but not hard to climb out of once your skill goes up. try playing a lot of deathmatch first until you have good mechanics on whatever role you play, then go climb when you’re ready

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I’ve also played in bronze, and not as a smurf. I dropped to bronze in about S4 or S5 after mostly playing low gold - I think I was being carried as I dropped when solo queuing when previously I had mostly played with a group of friends. I did climb a little bit to low silver, but then felt like I was stuck there. I thought a new account would place me higher. Wrong. Then I realised I had to improve to climb. I spent an entire season watching coaching videos, reading tips, and most importantly, critically thinking about my own performance. That single season I went from silver to low diamond.

I’m not saying everyone can get to diamond. Everyone has different limits. Mine, for example, seems to be high platinum - I never stay in diamond very long and always drop back. Other people can easily maintain master, or GM. But I do think most people in bronze could get to silver if they learned more about the game and thought carefully about what they need to do to improve (basically the stuff in my last post and previous paragraph).

I’m glad you agree that to climb, first you must improve.

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bronze is full of throwers, but once you are much better than the average bronze that works in your favor. I think i had almost 7 free wins where the enemy either gave up or left the game between 900-1200

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Yeah true. Throwers should work in your favour because there are only 5 possible spots for throwers on your team while there are 6 on the opposition.

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I haven’t really noticed a difference having climbed out of bronze recently
Maybe the positioning of my team is slightly better but not by that much

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Getting out of Bronze is literally as easy as playing tank every game and spamming “Group up on me!”, because the enemy team probably has no tanks and are randomly playing TDM, lmao. I recall when i did placements, ending with 0-10, I got out of Bronze with a 10 game win-streak, literally getting solo Earthshatter teamkills repeatedly with how bad the enemy was.

Bronze was really fun because you can get away with really crazy plays that can’t work in higher tiers. For example, I used a gimmick as Reinhardt frequently when I ran into a turtle on capture maps: wait until you know their primary dps is reloading, tell your team you’re going in hot, Firestrike the CC user who might stop you, Charge through their frontline at an angle that makes it appear you missed them (but are aiming for a close side wall). When you make contact with the wall, immediately 180 degree Earthshatter their entire team. It’s basically a teamkill every time until Silver 1 or so, since that’s usually where people start having the aim and reactions to CC you mid Charge.

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The biggest mistakes I’ve seen is lack of awarness the thing is this is hard to spot it’s much easier to spot when you’re rewatching your game play.

Honestly people go on about how aim is important but you have so many heroes that don’t require that and you can use that to your advantage if your aim isn’t well.

Not staggering or wasting ulties… in bronze people tend to waste their ults when team fights are already won or already lost… the biggest reason I climbed is cause i learned ult management and started telling my teammates when to and not to use them… that gave my team a huge advantage.

Smurfs are rampent down there, but eventually you’ll climb, I do suggest adding a smurf and asking them for tips… they probs saw your game play and could have identified mistakes… some smurfs might be well not nice but hey you have nothing to lose, right?

Ohh if you’re playing a tank and you die once don’t switch to bastion lol I’ve seen it so many times :rofl:

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It’s hard to have sympathy for people who feel stuck in bronze, because the skills that get you out of it are so basic to fps games.

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lol you are equating growing up in 1970’s suburbia with dying from malnutrition
“Bootstraps, Skinny! BOOT. STRAPS.”

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So much Ego boosting.

All you know is that. Nothing applies to discussion, it’s all about your magnificent skills. Period. I mean, yes, you play in Masters and all, usually with other Masters players, but yeah - you have Bronze all figured out, that’s just how big of a geniuses you all are.

I’ve been in FPS tournaments, I’ve been in a coached team for years. I play games for almost 20 years now.

And then some random brain God tells me in Overwatch I need only basic FPS skills to leave bronze.

I’m not saying I’m pro, I’m saying that you’re trying to tell me that being in bronze and having tons of losing streaks is only based on the fact that I’m the worst OW player in existence. Sure, okay…

I don’t know what I was expecting from people who read a metaphoric hyperbolic example as comparison. Sigh.

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I hear you, brother. I was down around 1300 yesterday… it was pretty dumb. Smurfs throwing matches while other team has smurfs soloing my whole team. Stupid. Very very stupid. And boring. And tedious.

What these self-styled “pros” don’t know is that between bronze and platinum there is a unique phenomenon they will never encounter up there in diamond and above… because we can’t get there to show it to them.

The booster industry creates walls. Tens of thousands of them unilaterally throw on teams where they don’t have a client account listed. This creates a boundary at certain SR levels… 1900, 2200, 2500… but what even THEY may not realize is that their “turn-around” locations… the points where they stop throwing on someone that hasn’t paid them for a boost… ends up becoming a kung fu dojo where all of the people that have been endlessly thrown on by these creeps have come together and created a “hidden meta” based on logic that you won’t find in youtube videos, and that does not concern itself with stats that CSGO players think are important. They just want to win, no matter what.

It’s a bit like how the southern and northern chinese kung fu traditions resulted in the completely alien shaolin martial arts… because the shaolin monks had to defend themselves from both kingdoms, and with no armor or fancy weapons, just rags and farm equipment against organized armies.

Forget about climbing in SR, forget about the ladder… who cares… remember the names and learn to destroy those specific enemies. You will see them a lot. Some of them are people like me… making my 38th trip back to platinum after being thrown down to low bronze this time… usually they drop me off in silver.

Don’t play the meta. Ignore the meta entirely, it’s meaningless if you aren’t diamond or above. When someone in those ranks tries to give you advice and tips… smile and nod and forget everything they said. You aren’t playing the same game they’re playing. For them Overwatch is a MOBA like League of Legends… to climb out of Bronze and up to platinum you have to dismiss that entire paradigm completely and just do whatever it takes to get the wins.

For example… I had teammates freaking out at me for playing Junkrat. I was hard-carrying the team but they kept getting killed repeatedly because they totally sucked, and they wanted to blame it on me. So… I switched to Lucio and spent ten solid minutes on the payload throwing the enemy team back and even getting around thirty solo-kills with that dumb little fart blaster Lucio carries. Eventually one of my teammates realized I was trying to win and he switched to Mei and we won together while the others complained about not getting enough heals when they did stuff like walk directly into an ulting soldier with no shields up (including the Reinhardt). The guy who picked Junkrat never even managed to get out of the spawn room again because he was being camped by… get this… enemy junkrat. Go figure. I never died so I couldn’t escort him back after a team wipe… because there was no team wipe. Just Mei and I on the payload for over five of those ten minutes together pushing the payload from point B to C on Gibraltar inch by inch.

Our stats got wrecked. It was the longest most mind-numbingly boring match I’ve ever played. Who cares, we won! The win is what matters. Go for the win.

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I had the opposite effect. I de ranked to bronze during season 10 (800sr). It didn’t last long cause it only took me a week to get back into gold/plat.

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And you are part of the problem.

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