Definition of OP vs Overtuned (discussion)

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@VenusArmani-1354

It’s hard to quantify it varies from hero to hero.

But to me a major adjustment is something like a rework or Sombra’s changes. These are changes that are intended to alter a heroes playstyle or behavior.

A minor adjustment would be something like when they made Soldier 76 go from 20 damage per bullet to 19. It’s not to necessarily change their behavior so much as make them a bit less efficient at the things they are already doing. It doesn’t have to be something quite as tiny as that, but you get the idea.

This sounds about right when it comes to adjustments, at least to me.
I suppose it’s sensible that a major one would make a big impact on how you approach a hero, while a minor one just makes a hero less/more effective/consistent in their current approach.

Thank you for contributing to this small discussion, very kind of you to take time to do so when it could easily have been glossed over.

@Inky-11160

Overtuned just needs minor stat changes, like changing the damage numbers or hp on a target.

Overpowered is where one or more aspects of a hero’s kit have mechanics which are innately much more powerful than the rest of the roster’s loadouts. For example, Brigitte’s shield bash is probably overpowered, but inspire and rally are only slightly overtuned.

I can certainly see where you’re coming from here, but I’m sort of on the fence regarding the new hero myself (I still think it’s just a tad bit too early to comment, even if I don’t believe she is balanced as that’d be unlikely).

I’ll also personally disagree with that inspire is overtuned, with it having the drawback of requiring her to fight before using it (and as few brings up: lucio would be more reliable in terms of healing and bring more healing, well at the cost of not bringing an extra cc).

But otherwise it seems that so far in the discussion at least the idea of overtuned/op seems fairly consistent (but tbf, the conversation is very short right now).

@Inky-11160

While her shield bash is op, she is so poorly designed that any nerf to it significantly affects her whole kit. Shield bash is op but also in a wonky spot where a direct nerf isn’t the solution.

I’ll agree on that for the most part she seem very reliant on the shield to bring a lot to the table, but that is again just my personal opinion.
I’d like in the original post advice that until a bit have passed it’d be unwise to talk about her as the forums seem to right now be drowning in a witchhunt (I suppose that’s not anything new here).