Tanks always tend to be hard picked in the meta. But in every other meta, the non-meta tanks still had a higher pick rate than D.Va.
Actually no. This takes into account all heroes. She has a lower pick rate than any other hero in the game at GM. Sym, Bastion, Torb, Sombra, and Soldier all have higher pick rates than D.Va right now. All heroes do, but those are the other bad heroes.
No one is “rating” her, If someone is overrated that would be orisa.
Sure, halt is annoying, shield is annoying, fortify is annoying, but the problem has always been sigma covering her weakness just like brig had been covering rein’s weakness during goats.
Dva has been bottom pick along with sombra for a while,
Re-read the chain of messages, I’m not arguing her viability I’m arguing she isn’t the worst hero in the game.
The other metas were more flexible for tanks than this one.
Actually yes it does. Yes she has the lowest pick rate out of all hero’s but role que makes it so the only people who can pick her are people playing/queing for tank, also again pick rate is not a great statistic on determining the overall health of a hero’s balance especially without context on so many factors or influences like the ones I mentioned. We can go back and forth on this all day but clearly we aren’t getting anywhere so just agree to disagree.
I’m exactly arguing she is the worst hero in the game.
That’s why she’s behind other terrible heroes that have more competition than her.
Then you’re not getting the point at all, just because there are more options doesn’t meant the competition is steeper, this meta is quite literally defined by the tanks, yes there are meta dps and supports but they’re not as crucial as the tank line (except maybe Moira) there’s far more room for flexibility in those roles than there are for the tanks and at GM you play the meta otherwise “you’re throwing”
Problem is they nerfed her defense matrix and on top of that they also nerfed her damage.
“yes they are slowly buffing defense matrix again” but then again no reason to pick her over the other tanks.
Then explain why Roadhog, Reinhardt and Hammond are picked so much. They’re all very viable in the current meta.
Roadhog pairs well with orisa with halt hook and orisa is basically the pillar of the whole thing, hog also is great at busting barriers and counters sigma very well now with hooking through grasp, also one of the few hero’s that’s good at controlling doom.
Rein is a swap out for sigma, still provides a 2nd shield, isn’t as prone to doom, hog, lucio (also pairs well with lucio) or ball as much as sigma, and his shield is a bit more reliable in brawls. Additionally fire strike is excellent in double barrier and he cleaves better than sigma (although Moira basically makes this pointless).
Hammond is one of the best disrupters booping people out or above barriers, doesn’t really care about barriers himself, and frankly could run all over double barrier but mei shuts him down hard so basically I imagine he’s mostly played when mei isn’t.
All of these could be explained even further as well but really don’t want to write an entire essay on everything just things to think about. Also to your comment earlier, winston really shouldn’t be diving sigma there’s far better applications for him than diving tanks.
I agree that Pick rate isn’t the ONLY factor to consider, but it is definitely a primary one. There is a lot of context to pick rate and I completely agree that pick rate alone isn’t sufficient on balance; however, it’s also not an indicator that can be ignored. Her GM pick rate this week is 0.11%. No amount of context makes that an acceptable pick rate. And no context makes her not the least picked hero and therefore the worst, especially when you consider there are only 8 tanks and all the other least picked heroes are DPS in a class of 16.
And to put it in context, another non-meta dive tank is ball. And his pick rate is 3.19% this week at GM. If D.Va’s pick rate was 3%, I wouldn’t be talking about buffs. But 0.11% is a different matter.
And to be honest, whenever her pick rate was even 4% or higher, people always used it against her so it is only fair to hear us out when it’s below 0.25% even for the month.
The last 4 nerfs she got were after her pick rate was the 4th most picked tank on ladder. Her 6 month average at GM is still only 1.74% and her last nerfs came during that timeframe because of her OWL pick rate not her ladder pick rate. She didn’t need those nerfs and now she’s underpowered as a result.
Her mech melts like butter and she’s presently the tank most affected by knockback which isn’t going anywhere. My personal recommendations have focused on the knockback issue or personal survivability, similar to the kinds of buffs Rein and Orisa are getting to compensate for lower shields.
Sigma pretty much negates Halt/Hook, so I doubt that’s it.
D.Va also has tools to mess with Doomfist, as well as shield break capabilities.
Kinda insufficient to justify him having 14 times her pickrate.
As you said, his cleave is useless with Moira being at the top out-healing any damage he deals. And unlike Sigma, he can’t help breaking enemy shields while he shields himself.
No reason for him to have 13 times D.Va’s pickrate.
Mei is barely top 5 in the DPS category, that could explain him being played so much (more than her, in fact).
But then why doesn’t he get dive buddies (Winston or D.Va) to follow him when he wrecks havoc among enemy lines ?
D.Va was essentially never a must-pick outside of the one meta she should have been a staple (dive) and even then Zarya was played on KR and LT in addition to being the original dive off tank. You’re literally saying this as D.Va is the worst tank and one of the worst heroes in the game
It’s very relevant when that hero is a tank–a versatile tank–being picked less than Torbjorn and Symmetra. Tanks have naturally bloated pickrates due to the significantly smaller pool, and the fact that D.Va’s pickrate is both several times less than the tanks that are simply “not meta” but also literally worse than the worst DPS’s is indicative of how bad she is. That is past “just not her meta”. It’s just not Reinhardt’s meta. It’s just not Zarya’s meta. D.Va was actively overnerfed.
Ehh I’d say dva and Zen are in the same boat. Both absolutely useless outside of the hands of top 500