how on earth is anyone considering moira a dva counter? bc she has one ability that bypasses dm? her beam tickles dva less than winston, and no one considers winston a dva counter.
dva is a hard counter to moira. its just insane that people can think the opposite
It also depends on position which is very important. Mccree on high ground away from team is an easy target for Dva. Mccree behind a shield counters Dva, Dva can not dive into the enemy team head on.
Dva counters people who donât play grouped up, and that is why many people have problems against her, they donât play grouped up.
Dva isnât a hard counter to Moira. Moira isnât going to kill Dva, Dva isnât going to kill Moira unless she does not have fade or healing orb ready. Moira isnât a target Dva should go after.
sure she can. this is literally what dive comps do. she cant go in alone but she can still dive that mccree.
but when talking counters youre comparing individual abilities for each hero and how they interact.
mccree on high ground? dva can fly to him anywhere within 25m.
primary fire? fan the hammer? flashbang? deadeye? nullified by dm.
600hp with a very large (front facing only) critbox vs 200hp with one of the largest hit boxes for a 200hp hero.
theres no part of mccrees kit that would consistently give him the upper hand in traditional matchups vs dva. its the reason dva is widely considered a mccree hard counter.
Sombras a good counter to dva. You can translocate if she decides to dive you and hack turns her into a sitting duck.
Hog, reaper and mei come up as the tier two counters. They can all shut down and mess up a dva, but if you get outplayed, you are donezo.
Zarya can be a counter if shes 50+ energy, otherwise dva just does more damage and has more health.
Totally feel like Orisa has the upper hand against D.Va. Orisa does a lot of damage when she canât miss.
Fake news folks. Fake news.
Cannot demech her with rocket punch, on top of him being the one countered by everyone.
hahaha
Maybe if being pocketed.
Not between her 5 second boost and 2 seconds of DM. Thatâs 3 seconds he has to demech her on top of the potential healing that Dva is getting.
If he heals, and she isnât being pocketed.
HAHAHA nope. Not when she can constantly deny a hack by shooting her pea cannons.
Who doesnât she counter.
Iâll give you Bastion, but heâs papermache if your team all fires at him, making him an irrelevant Dva counter.
Nope. Scatter only does 400, and she has the ability to deny it.
Once again, who doesnât he counter.
No, just because she can freeze through DM doesnât make her a counter.
Same as Sym vs Genji. She can lazer him through deflect, but he can choose engage her or escape her range.
Dva has the luxury of getting out if boosters is off CD.
Hahaha.
When the counter to a hero is themselves, then that either means theyâre OP or that you are trying to defend your main.
âReaper can counter reaperâ anyone can win a 1v1 as the same hero, thats why we have 1v1s.
Usually I see Dvas diving the Widow and gutting. Not a counter unless you ignore her, and in that case itâs just a bad Dva, not a balanced Dva.
Nope, unless sheâs behind a barrier or has fortify.
Not with 3DM.
âJust because it can go through DM, doesnât make her a counter.â
Zarya needs 40 energy to 1v1 a Dva and win.
Nope. She can barely win against Rein. She sure as hell wonât win against more damage, mobility, and 100 more health.
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No, itâs the other way around.
Nope. DM⌠Going through it⌠not a counterâŚ
Hahaha nope.
Theory would be correct if Dive didnât [Edited by Blizzard] all over triple/quad tank, or deathball.
OP is just looking for reason to not nerf the best hero in the game. Dva is worse than Tracer, since Dva out classes the other off-tanks.
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Reaper. REAPER.
Oh. And TracerâŚ
BUT REAPER.
As with everything else in the game, I find that shooting her works.
Have you played D.Va for any length of time at all?
-Doomfist can at the very least force D.Va to retreat for healing
-Genji is a hard character to hit and gets a ton of free ult charge off D.Va
-McCree is not a counter to D.Va
-Reaper can 1v1 literally any tank in the game
-Solder 76 will lose like 60% of match ups against D.Va
-Sombra D.Va is nothing without her abilities
-Tracer has a similar reason as Genji only to a greater degree
-Bastion will beat D.Va if her team doesnât help (they almost never do)
-Hanzo D.Va will lose that encounter if Hanzo lands scatter
-Junkrat A prime example of a character that used to be countered by D.Va now being a solid counter to D.Va.
-Mei You couldnât be more wrong if you tried. If you do not INSTANTLY hit boosters you will be frozen and you will die
-Torb is arguably the worst character to pick when facing a D.Va
-Widowmaker D.Va should pretty much always win this encounter or at the very least force Widowmaker to grapple to her team for healing
-Orisa Youâre right, barrier dancing and fortify will determine this fight.
-Hog D.Va can protect others from the hook combo, not herself.
-Zarya Depends entirely on the charge
-Briggitte Havenât played against enough of them to have a solid understanding of the matchup
-Moria Again youâre right, D.Va to a degree counters Moria
-Symmetra Assuming you can aim itâs not that hard to kill Sym
-Zen Possible tie for worst character to play against D.Va
Some of these are only softcounters, and some need a team to actually counter out D.Va.
Especially Zen.
Anyone who lists McCree as a counter to Dva is either trolling or completely inept, sorry. Literally all you have to do is fly into him firing rockets while holding dm and then melee and you delete him. Meanwhile he has to headshot you 5 times through DM while Dva doesnât have to reload. Assuming he lands all 5 he then either has 1 bullet left to head shot baby dva or risks taking pistol rounds during reload if he does it when she ejects.
Go on. Explain to me how he is her âcounter.â
I agree with your list, uh, sort of.
Not Genji (after his deflect he is dead which she can charge you through deflect anyways btw)
Not Zen (if dived he is dead)
Not Moira (1v1 or otherwise)
Not Sym (is this a joke? Only if no one is focusing on her and sheâs at uber beam)
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Reboticon whooped me for the most part, McCree doesnât counter Dva. I must be fighting silly Dvas in QP or something.
then why arenât these heroes ran to counter her instead of just running another dva? because they either donât counter or just are bad heroes.
Er, thanks for the offer but I didnât say McCree canât kill Dva, I said he is not a counter and I explained the difference in what one has to do to kill the other. McCree must land 5 crits. Dva must hold RMB, boop into him and fire missiles, then melee.
I consider it neutral, best term is probably not a counter to be fair I can agree to that.
If itâs team vs team whole bag of worms but if itâs 1v1 with range Iâm pretty confident Iâll get her to the out of meka situation at least reliably. If she gets the jump on you itâs over though no argument there.
I factor in though that dva isnât going to hit you with all her missles, just like you gotta factor in McCree wonât hit all headshots. Doing the electric slide on most Dva players nets you survival most of the time in my book. Dva canât really dance around meanwhile so her hitbox is generally up to your aim since sheâs going to be infront of you the whole time.
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Reboticon whooped me for the most part, McCree doesnât counter Dva. I must be fighting silly Dvas in QP or something.
Ok, I am gonna add you then, if you are game, because i really donât think it is neutral at all, but Iâm always game to learn something.
Itâs not that sheâs untouchable or canât be influenced, killed or fought - itâs that her impact is so disproportionate that she has become all but mandatory on most maps against most comps for a truly serious team that values win% over all else
but countering isnt just killing the other person in a 1v1 (which iâd wager is far more often than not in dvas favor), its also how their abilities stack up against each other. the only advantage mccree has is range, which even then dva can wait and decide when to close the distance. she has the hp, defense, mobility, can nullify almost all his abilities/ult. when talking kit vs kit, nothing about mccrees kit gives him a consistent advantage vs dva.
theres a reason mccree is considered one of the most susceptible heroes to dive. his kit just sucks against dva/winston.