Nah understandable Im just saying peoples attitudes like in general have shifted towards the negative after the giga tank patch
they didnt listen though. they buffed all the things the community doesnt like about her.
they used weaponized incompetence and people like you now push the “shouldnt have complained” argument like they want you to lol
Game with potential but its fate may be destroyed by this very community trying to turn into a OW 2.0. Although so far devs seem good compared to here. Still early though
It’s true. I’m sorry you don’t like it, but it’s true. PC is the much larger install base. And they chose to balance around PC. They also do top down balancing predominantly.
So if you want to look at D.Va stats that the devs are going to use them you need Masters and GM PC stats.
Also Overbuff doesn’t have accurate data for the ranks that the devs use. They, Gavin Winters specifically, confirmed that.
And DMon is correct in everything they said. If she was significantly over performing that nerf would have been harsher. But she wasn’t. And Winston and Sigma are actually the meta tanks right now. It’s hard to justify any nerf to D.Va without also nerfing them even harder.
And the what? Orisa, Mauga, Hog? The three tanks of the apocalypse? Because it’s not like Rein is going to be meta. He’s got a ridiculous win rate in metal ranks and frankly needs a nerf but he’s not going to get one because perception of him as weak is so engrained even though it isn’t true.
Plus D.Va keeps all the hitscans in check. She’s kinda necessary.
Also, I really would appreciate it if you didn’t take the Lord’s name in vain. It rubs me the wrong way.
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Aren’t getting to fully change her identity fully. They did what they think it’s best. Complaining isn’t going to fully lead to want this community wants. It’s Blizzard helm and alhonesty they should’ve just ignore the community.
I mean argue for overbuff not being accurate because hell theres more ground to stand on there but this whole “Its true” its not again not a psychic…
2 the communities are combined now.
3 they just look at the data and whatever the communitys screaming about…
Saying in ow2 it has anything to do with just PC is just make belive by some delisional PC superiority mindset at the current moment.
See I can respect this, the whole “It rubs me the wrong way thing” someone trying to act like they know blizzards thoughts and decisions on balancing for god knows what reason outside of just “PC better lol” rubs me the wrong way as well.
Because it just dosen’t make sense in the context of ow2, there is absolutely nothing or nothing blizzard has done that particularly says or hints towards this.
what they thought was best was improve her TTK and let her get where she wants while invis faster, the things people hate most about sombra.
you got what you wanted lol they ignored what people dont like about her
Never wanted this always prefer her keeping the stealth on a meter source because literally forced her to make a decision and commit. Unfortunately Blizzard got the idea making it infinite was a good idea. But that’s something I can’t control
wow if only there was an entire community forum that near unanimously holds this opinion that a certain company doesn’t listen to
The problem the community opinion is so inconsistent entire history it isn’t worth listening too looking threw their eyes. Reason why they ignore the forums entirely. Exclusively on Reddit or whatever else now.
The devs said it isn’t. And I’ve got an entire post explain this in detail.
Yes, but one is much larger than the other and also weighed more heavily in balance decisions. IMO I’d prefer they didn’t have cross play and did separate balancing because the entire reason D.Va is even good on console is because of aim assist and how it works for close range heroes.
Yes and you are wrong for screaming about it. It’s honestly ridiculous when there are significantly stronger tanks. People just want her to be irrelevant not balanced. Because currently she’s balanced. As tanks go she’s good but not overpowered. Sigma (who I also play) is OPAF. It’s honestly so weird there aren’t more complaints about him. I’m ok with that because I also play him, but like if you want an OP tank Sigma and Winston are right there.
I’m saying that there’s a lot more PC players than console players. That’s not true for a lot of games but it is for Overwatch. And PC ranks are generally harder too. GM console isn’t GM on PC. It’s closer to Diamond on PC.
I’m mostly taking my information from things they’ve said over the years in interviews and blogs.
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i mean its also because people on the forums cant behave lol.
nowadays all balance discussion is people with zero clue regurgitating their favorite streamer’s opinion until one side wins
Exclusively listening to streamers was another problem or mistake they made. Instead listening to an hero respective community on the hero. Take feedback on it and think on it.
A. Anything outside of what has been mentioned in ow2 blog post or otherwise isn’t relevant.
And B we already know they’re confirmed that they balance and make changes because of the community so rank and etc dosen’t matter at certain point.
Hell if everyone on twitter who got Lifeweaver nerfed was a console player the only thing Blizzard saw was that everyone was complaning about Lifeweaver.
I’ve also noticed people have a fundemental misunderstanding of how console works, they think its its own little world that needs to be “Balanced around” and that this and that is just sooooo much different yes we have our own metas and stuff our own heros with like more etc, it he the same as if PC had it.
The problem comes from outliers, things so far out of wack that they NEED attention.
You won’t see any of this mystical magical console specific balancing in the context of PC outside of symmetra and torb… because it dosen’t freaking exist…
They been learned if they just keep Sym and torb mediocore as hell console players are satisfied.
Guess what yall struggling with Sombra? Guess who were struggling with? Oh Tracers a problem? Damn I as a console player most definitely didn’t experince that its totally just always Soldier and Mcree over here…
Surrereee you can change specific things more specifically to make console players “Happy” BUT YOU DON’T… NEED… TO…
You can do xyz and Z to overhaul the PC meta and give a console specific meta BUT YOU DONT NEED TO.
Not because of population or any stuff like that, there’s legit just 0 damn reason we have our stuff yall have yours.
It’s when things BEYOND over step there boundaries that they become a problem.
And in the context of how they balance ow2 all you need is a significant amount of people saying “Yeaaah so hayyyy this is a problem”. There not gonna go back and freaking cia track every freaking players respective platform off a twitter post, it’s just gonna be “Wow we’ve got a SIGNIFICANT ungodly amount of complaints about X hero”
But either way it would have absolutely nothing to do with this made up “Console specific balancing” PC player seems to think would even need to exist, like were comtent with the game and our stuff as it is now and sharing the balance as is I don’t know like where this magical mystical whimiscal idea came from, maybe it original from sym and torbs existence and know people are like using it on everything whenever console is involved…
But I assure you… it’s a myth…
I don’t agree with this.
They didn’t say it this way. They predominantly balance around stats from masters+ on PC, said this year by the devs in an AMA. They said also that sometimes a hero is considered problematic so they might keep their win rate at the lower end of acceptable or beloved so they might keep it at the higher end. But they have a specific win rate range that all heroes are intended to stay in.
They also balance for stats like, kda, healing, tankiness, etc. They MOSTLY balance around stats, again their words.
And as far as community goes, D.Va is actually THE most popular tank. The second is Rein. Notice all the D.Va skins. She has the most mains of any tank. And it would be a serious mistake when tank populations are low and they want people to buy skins to nerf the tank with the most purchasing power and also the one kinda keeping queue times going. So if they do balance on community feedback, then don’t expect to see D.Va go anywhere because we’re whales.
Case in point, Tracer git nerfed. Look who didn’t.
You jumped the gun my friend… Tracer was the one who was an issue on console not sombra…
And guess who just became a problem on console now that Tracers out the picture, its like clock work.
You just accidentally killed your own point XD.
This is what I mean by pc players need to stop acting like they know anything about us or our balancing or what goes on over here.
We never do 
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“We never do” lol so anyways moving on.
Also the confusion came from I was a Console player he’s a PC player… we already had like an entire argument about this.
“Moving on” but you felt the need to respond 
Ngl, this thread was pretty fun to read. Dmon totally cooked you and I’m honestly living for it
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I want you to go over where he cooked me.
Hell his entire argument was just “Pc vs console” that was his main argument and he got completely canceled out on that.
And his argument about how I made multiple post about complaning about dva… that was ended with a profile check.