Come on D.va really needs a tweak

Ults like graviton can have counterplay.

Matrix is the only non-ultimate counterplay to it. And even if you get the grav off, D.Va can simply pop self-destruct and make it impossible for people to actually deal damage to people inside the grav since they have to vacate.

With an internal cooldown and a 2-second uptime.

Doesn’t matter. It takes only a flick of it to eat an ability or burst damage source. Cooldown is only 1 second. Zarya has only a single ability that is on an 8 second cooldown. And she’s also forced to use that to gain charge.

There are counters to Barrage that aren’t just killing her. Honestly, most of the Pharahs I see ult completely out of the range of DM, usually behind the enemy team where I am not.

It doesn’t matter to my point. I’m saying that it’s effectively invulnerability.

I rarely ever protect Pharah with Matrix.

And while sure, technically D.Va can for 2 seconds IF matrix is fully charged, that’s just the name of the game. Teamwork.

It’s not especially complicated teamwork and it doesn’t have any counterplay. In Season 5 when Pharah was still being played a lot, often alongside dive, it happened quite a bit.

Doesn’t Pharah die to her ult a lot of the time anyway?

Her ultimate kills things insanely quickly and will bust through any barrier and kill anything that’s below it. That’s the reason why she’s immobile and vulnerable while ulting.

Zarya’s bubble is easier to protect Pharah with, even if it’s only 200 HP.

It’s easier to protect in terms of actually doing it but it’s not much better than a naked Pharah. Helix rocket alone will burst 60% of bubble and if anyone else fires at her she dies almost instantly.

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DVA main please stop being biased and open your eyes. DVA has tons of hp and armor, defense matrix which can nullify ults, huge burst potential with missles, deals lots of damage close up, has a low cd boost, amazing zoning ult, and can live after mech gets blown up. She has no true counters.

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Oh please. we passed that point. everyone who doesn’t main D.va know she is op. I’m not gonna talk about why she needs nerf anymore.

I don’t main her and i don’t feel she’s OP.

Might be because i think if she’s burning everything diving into your team you should learn to play Hog and delete her. Stops her “Abuse Case” that you people cry about.

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Not really in every game but he sees a lot of usage. 2nd most picked support in higher ranks and he isn’t the main healer.

An emphasis on small tweaks then. As much as I despise D.Va she isn’t too far from being a mere ult feeding tin-can.

She has lots of HP and armor but that’s easly burned though. Defense matrix can, but it no longer lasts as long as ults such as 76 and reapers. You only have it for two seconds which requires you to read heros extremely well like zarya and mei. She does in fact have counters, zarya and mei are good. Especially sombra who can make her completely useless. Reaper can down her as well. You people literally are grasping for straws in a desperate to get D.va even more nerfed than she already is. You won’t stop until one bullet in D.va’s direction would result in her being demeched and her damage will tickle you even at close range.

There are non-ultimate counters to just about every ult, though?

This almost never works, speaking from experience.
But if it did, that’s an ultimate being used to counterplay another ultimate. Doesn’t sound terrible to me.

Comparing these is useless; they’re two different heroes who do different things.

Timing it is not that difficult, nor is throwing it where the D.Va isn’t or getting her out of mech first.

Okay, so is Zarya’s bubble as long as it’s up.

You could say the same for Reaper. There’s counterplay to both and neither are considered stellar ultimates.

Exactly. And she’s not now. So why is the possibility of giving her two seconds of invulnerability even a point of argument?

You say all that, but I only have your word. Which I don’t believe.
What I know, however, is that Overbuff has more users than MasterOW. So it does have a bigger amount of data.

You say all that and yet, my math produces a number that is very similar to your stat. So either what you say is wrong or it doesn’t happen that often.

How would you know ? You almost never play D.Va.

Bwahahahaha. 1k damage ? When she loses over 9 mechs per game ? That’s the bare minimum. And you forget the damage from SD, which adds up to another 1k minimum.

If D.Va dives you, either you’re out of position, or her team is with her.
If she dives alone and you’re with your team, you shouldn’t die.

Um, you know she won’t send your bullets back ? You can move to the side and shoot ? Or is it too hard for you ?

It takes one magazine + Helix Rockets + one melee to kill the mech. 4 seconds. No crits.
If she’s getting healed, and noone helps you, she’s 2v1, you deserve to die. Blame your team.

No you didn’t, since you forgot Zenyatta.

No it won’t. Back when D.Va was reworked and some thought she’d be bad, pros were working with Zarya in her place, or a third DPS.
Dive will not be killed by nerfing one character. You’d have to nerf them all, hard. That would be killing the OWL.

It still gives her enough time to kill anything under 200HP in her sights. The rest will be killed by the charged Zarya and her pals.

Use Pharah’s, D.Va’s or Tracer’s ult. They ignore Transcendance. Or even one Junkrat grenade + mine will kill something.

Not that I will change your mind anyway. Like Rocko, you will cry non-stop until you get your nerf. Try holding your breath, maybe Blizz will pity you and give it to you.

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her counter is her paper mech. Beam weapons. And being instantly demeched when hacked. Listing all her strengths and none of her weaknesses then claiming she has no counters makes me not take you seriously at all. you might as well be trolling. You aren’t really trying to have a discussion. You are trying to fabricate the truth.

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Sombra is a good counter, but won’t be a counter after the nerf. Mei and reaper are both F tier and shouldn’t be in the equation. Zarya is a even match up with DVa being able to eat ults. DVA just doesn’t have a true counter. She can be used and excel in every situation.

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Sombra will still counter D.va. Regardless a Sombra wouldn’t just try to hack D.va while standing right in front of her. They can be considering they can stop her. I don’t care what tier they are, if they can stop D.va they can be added to the equation. And to eat Zarya’s ult, you have to read that player extremely well. Either that or just eat the ult if the zarya fires it from a distance which most don’t. She has counters, as I stated. People are just grasping for straws.

Your question was

I gave you an answer to that question. You didn’t ask me to list her counters.

There are non-ultimate counters to just about every ult, though?
This almost never works, speaking from experience.

Disagree. I’ve been on the receiving end of it and had to simply run away instead of staying there and affording to shoot into grav.

But if it did, that’s an ultimate being used to counterplay another ultimate. Doesn’t sound terrible to me.

I’m saying that despite Zarya being mentioned as D.Va’s counter, D.Va can make Zarya’s life hell in multiple ways. D.Va literally controls 100% of that matchup. Even if Zarya is at 100% charge and Zarya doesn’t have her personal up, D.Va can burst her down before Zarya can burst D.Va.

Comparing these is useless; they’re two different heroes who do different things.

They’re both off-tanks who should be compared accordingly.

Timing it is not that difficult, nor is throwing it where the D.Va isn’t or getting her out of mech first.

Yeah because it’s super easy to get her out of mech. And because D.Va is the only person who you need to worry about and you can always afford to look at her and notice the <1 second interval where you’re actually free to use the ability.

Okay, so is Zarya’s bubble as long as it’s up.

Are you intentionally playing dumb? D.VA’s matrix does not care about damage. Zarya’s bubble does. It’s 200 HP + immunity to CC at best. Matrix is literally effective invulnerability in terms of damage.

You could say the same for Reaper. There’s counterplay to both and neither are considered stellar ultimates.

No, it doesn’t. Reaper deals maximum of 510 damage per target. Or 170 damage per target. Pharah deals 1200 damage per second for a maximum of 3600 damage. Which will burn through any barrier in the game.

Exactly. And she’s not now. So why is the possibility of giving her two seconds of invulnerability even a point of argument?

Not relevant to the discussion. It’s a possibility. I’m simply stating that despite matrix losing some of its duration (and only blocking 35-38% less damage than before) it’s still insanely powerful and should not be downplayed by saying nonsense such as “d.va is not a tank anymore” when she very much is.

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What this guy said. Also, have we forgotten about Doomfist? D.Va can’t DM if you punch her. You can uppercut her into the air, she can’t effectively DM there. Counter play exist, but no one talks about it because it requires team play. God forbid anyone plug in a mic and try to coordinate with their team.

And I’ve been on the giving end of it and just died in grav before I could get back in mech because the enemy team has a barrier tank to block the damage.
Anecdotal evidence

This happens with a lot of counter-countered interactions.

I wouldn’t even say 100%. Zarya wins if she baits missiles into her personal.

Where is… her team. This scenario doesn’t even happen often.

They’re off-tanks with completely different roles.

Kinda, yeah

Good sarcasm, but honestly I can suss out the proper timing fairly easily. It’s not that much mental math. There aren’t that many variables.

Unnecessary disrespect. I know you’re essentially a troll at this point, but it’s not needed.

Cares about distance. Cares about duration. They both have caveats.

Both are sitting ducks, is what I’m getting at here.

Yes it is. We’re talking about the actual game, not how it plays in a vacuum.

I didn’t say this, but go off I guess lol

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Thank you for using a specific, applicable term.

Darn, I did use that wrong, didn’t I? And to think I’m an English major smh. To further clarify, they both have limitations.

No, you used it right. No sarcasm from me.

O-Oh, my b, hahaha. ;;

You say all that, but I only have your word. Which I don’t believe.
What I know, however, is that Overbuff has more users than MasterOW. So it does have a bigger amount of data.

If you knew any statistics, you’d know how sharply sampling error drops with number of users and that it practically does not depend on the population size as long as your sample size is only above a certain number. And MasterOW has at least 158000 games in this season only for D.Va. Which is more than enough.

But if you are still skeptical about it, then check how similar all the stats between overbuff and masteroverwatch are once you scale them to per game basis by multiplying it with 10 or 10.5, forgot which one since I did it a while ago just to check if they are consistent. And they are. All stats are only within small margin of each other.

You say all that and yet, my math produces a number that is very similar to your stat. So either what you say is wrong or it doesn’t happen that often.

It doesn’t matter that it’s close. It’s still fake. I explicitely tested what affects mech recalls and mech deaths. Don’t believe me? Go and test it out. Of course that it won’t happen often, but it still is a wrong number. It artificially inflates mech deaths when you calculate it that way. If D.Va dies once every game after failing to get into mech after ulting, you get that number. But in reality, that’s not a mech death.

How would you know ? You almost never play D.Va.

It doesn’t make sense to do it. Zero sense.

Bwahahahaha. 1k damage ? When she loses over 9 mechs per game ? That’s the bare minimum. And you forget the damage from SD, which adds up to another 1k minimum.

Yes. 1k damage. And even that is optimistic. She will die 6 times out of those 9 mechs. So she will straight out get a fresh mech upon respawn. And sometimes she will use self-destruct to get a new mech. Or she will straight out jump over the cliff. There’s literally 0% chance that she does 3k or 4k. It’s literally nonsense.

SD does 1k only if it hits anything at close range and that’s assuming that the target can actually survive 1k damage. It has a fall-off and very often it won’t hit anything. If it hits a 200 HP hero, it does 200 damage, not 1000. Why do I even have to explain this…

If D.Va dives you, either you’re out of position, or her team is with her.
If she dives alone and you’re with your team, you shouldn’t die.

And what about when I am with my team on the point and my healer is healing my tanks who are busy? How will my team prevent her from erasing me? She doesn’t punish bad positioning. Roadhog did. I know what bad positioning is.

Um, you know she won’t send your bullets back ? You can move to the side and shoot ? Or is it too hard for you ?

You can’t sprint and shoot. You can walk and shoot. But if you walk instead of sprint you get boop damage on you + some of missiles will be hitting you. If you start sprinting immediately and then drop heal, she will be out of boosters and won’t be able to boop you out of your field. If you are in your field and if she used her missiles while boosting, she will have a hard time killing you. I very rarely actually die to D.Va in that situation. However, situations in I do die is when I’m on the point and I simply get pummeled over as I described earlier. And I’m not the only one who complains of that. It’s 1000 worse if you’re McCree since you’re always in a situation like that.

It takes one magazine + Helix Rockets + one melee to kill the mech. 4 seconds. No crits.
If she’s getting healed, and noone helps you, she’s 2v1, you deserve to die. Blame your team.

I’m talking about her boosting away. She can cut corners or simply go over a ledge and that’s it. 25 meters covered in 2 seconds with boosters. And even then, your math is wrong.

No you didn’t, since you forgot Zenyatta.

Yeah, I did. But not intentionally. I saw that you used 4 characters in the list and simply assumed that D.Va was 4th after checking Genji Tracer Wisnton who were first 3.

No it won’t. Back when D.Va was reworked and some thought she’d be bad, pros were working with Zarya in her place, or a third DPS.
Dive will not be killed by nerfing one character. You’d have to nerf them all, hard. That would be killing the OWL.

Zarya + Winston is trash and was never good. There’s basically no synergy other than bubble and Zarya’s lack of mobility and lack of true shield tank makes it not good. And as I’ve said, 1 dive tank is easy to deal with, 2 are not. You can absolutely kill dive by nerfing either Winston or D.Va. But since Winston on his own is actually balanced and since the goal is not to kill dive but simply to weaken it, D.Va is the candidate. Also, her usage in OWL so far outside of dive is bigger than of all other off-tanks. Meaning, she is used just as much outside of it compared to other alternatives (Hog, Zarya).

Out of 164.8 hours that she was played in OWL, 143.7 hours of it were played with Winston.

21.1 hours she was played without Winston and with some other composition.
Roadhog was played 21.5 hours. Zarya was played 8.25 hours.

That alone gives you an indication of something. The fact that she’s simply blatantly strong right now and that she can be used in any composition anytime without any opportunity cost. While also providing a ton of utility that other 2 tanks lack. So, yeah. If her pickrate does not go down after Brigitte patch, I’m fairly sure the devs will simply straight out nerf her. Deservedly. For a braindead easy hero to play, not really fair that she’s so strong.

It still gives her enough time to kill anything under 200HP in her sights. The rest will be killed by the charged Zarya and her pals.

No, it doesn’t. It has cast time. She will alert people prior to actually starting to destroy things. And even Lucio’s LMB sent at her will deal 80 damage to it. To give you an example of how easy it is to deliver damage to something stationary even tho it has extra HP. And the actual downplaying of matrix that you’re doing right now is simply disgusting.

Use Pharah’s, D.Va’s or Tracer’s ult. They ignore Transcendance. Or even one Junkrat grenade + mine will kill something.

Did I ask you for an advice? Do you think I don’t know what ults pierce transcedence? My point is, it’s difficult to play Zarya right now. D.Va is the main reason for it. Zen is #2 reason for it.

Not that I will change your mind anyway. Like Rocko, you will cry non-stop until you get your nerf. Try holding your breath, maybe Blizz will pity you and give it to you.

If you actually stood for a moment to take an honest look, you’d realize that she very much is in need of a one. But go ahead. Be like those D.Va mains who asked for buffs to her during Season 5 when she had pickrate of 10%. Go ahead. Be completely and entirely separated from reality when it comes to the balance of your hero.