I’m not saying it’s excusable, but I expect cheating to happen up there.
And I’m 1000% sure it’s more prevalent there for that reason (and the streamers)
And here’s the thing, those are the cheaters that do get knocked. As they have t500 people there sniffing them out immediately.
The lower rank where there’s more potatoes is where it’s dumb. And they get away for entirely too long.
Dude, did you even hear what TNK says in the video, it indicates that there is currently a plague of cheaters. 
And he mentions the same problems that OW has and that we all know an anti cheat system that is garbage.
But well, I don’t know what else to say, you ask for a video of a Top 500 talking about this problem, I’ll give you an example, you go and look for it, you read the title and you don’t see the video and its content and you come and say that it doesn’t work.
I do not understand you.
I have 7 accounts. I smurf all the time. I’ve done UR2GMS before. And I have encountered maybe TWO cheaters on all of my alts combined.
Cheating is not a problem in low ranks. There’s no way to even STAY in low ranks with good aim. It isn’t possible to do without throwing, which is a bannable offense in and of itself.
I’m not claiming to be the best. But It’s only been a couple months since my last cheater.(until literally yesterday lol)
I remember when it was maybe twice a year.
They are going up. Not enough to worry me. But I can see it.
Which makes me nervous for those that can’t.
Just because my mom is a Spanish teacher doesn’t mean I can fully comprehend the language. Especially when it’s being basically rapped at me Eminem style.
Regardless, you haven’t found a viable example. Saying there are “many” cheaters (I Google translated the intro) is not saying that they’re in almost every game. He also said he only saw it as a problem on the weekend, which further proves my point.
He’s playing at the highest level possible and he, while complaining about cheaters, said that they’re not a problem for over 70% of the time. Below that, it’s exponentially less as good aim and metal ranks do not coexist. And in GM lobbies, I’m not consistently seeing cheaters at all.
So again, find a quote. A REAL one this time.
They are in every game at the top brackets but that isn’t surprising. Grandmaster is the top 1% and even if only 1% of all players cheated that would be an insane percentage of cheaters at that tier.
So you a huge percentage of the people in top brackets cheating and then the percentage goes down from there in the lower brackets.
Or you think they’re going up. Let’s assume that you actually DID face more cheaters than normal. Does that mean the number is going up, or does that mean you got matched with them more by pure bad luck?
You even said, not enough to worry you. The change was that marginal. You can’t say that the number is rising.
Oh well, we are not going to reach an agreement on our points of view and that is fine, I respect that.
But I still maintain my point of view, until they implement a Kernel Level Anti Cheat Systems this problem will only escalate more and more.
I just hope OW doesn’t reach CoD levels of cheating.
But if we take into consideration that they use exactly the same anti-cheat system, it is only a matter of time.
Ok, so what am I? Super GM? The Noblesse of video games? Does Heavenly fire run through my PC? Because I’ve had a positive winrate in GM lobbies since S3, which has actually been going up for the past few months as I’ve improved, and I have never once touched cheats.
I also maintain an extremely low deaths/10 in comparison to the average GM Tracer, an extremely high solo kills/10, and a winrate of at least 55% (Can’t calculate any PC stats at the moment because my first comp game of the season was on console. Winning much more than S9 though, and that was 54%.). Therefore, it’s not possible for me to be getting carried by cheaters either.
So am I just a god? Or am I a cheater too in your eyes?
The number is rising, just not that bad as some of these posts make it seem.
Like I said 1 or 2 in 365 is tiny
But now we’re getting closer to 3-5? In 365.
Just a bit bigger.
I just hope the right people are paying attention.
And I can respect that take, but again, you don’t know. You literally just don’t.
This is a much more respectable take than “every game” but you also have no way of possibly calculating it or even knowing for sure that there has in fact been a change.
The problem with this is, until when will Blizz take action on the matter?
How much must this number grow for them to consider acting?
As you mention, it’s manageable for now, but have you seen the state of CoD? It is unfortunate and if this is not corrected in time, OW will follow the same path.
I had a positive winrate in GM / top500 too. You aren’t getting carried by cheaters because there is an equal chance of them being on both teams and the cheaters with their cheats aren’t any better at the game then you. They are achieving the same thing by not thinking about aiming which means they only had to put in a fraction of the effort.
If the game had absolutely no cheaters the only thing that would change is that a bunch of the legit masters players would now be GM players.
But I am a fan of the stuff they use to do it. I like to know things.
They aren’t making it harder for them last I checked.
And when I think of last time they ignored stuff, I think of the bots in WoW and how they lost there.
Like I said, I hope the right people are paying attention.
Maybe they next ban wave will put me at ease lol
(and they’ll care about WoW for longer)
Then you should have a better grasp on reality.
So again, am I just super GM or something?
That’s my entire point. If cheaters are so common and I can KEEP UP WITH THEM, that means that their cheats are either non-existent or not helping much. Any GM knows hard cheats at a glance, and I watch killcams, so I’d instantly know if I died to a cheater. Soft cheats are also pretty easy to detect depending on how soft they are.
It’d be one thing if I was seeing cheaters consistently and they just didn’t get banned, as you could pin that on the anti-cheat. Barely seeing them at all…yeah, that doesn’t add up to me. Two days ago I faced a cheating Cree. He had softer cheats, but I thought it looked sus so I watched the replay back and found that it was a trigger bot. That’s the first cheater I’ve seen in months and I was onto it from my first death. And it wasn’t some crazy spinbot or hard lock thing either, so it wasn’t obvious at a glance. If I can detect soft cheats that easily, how weak do you think they’d need to be for me to overlook them? And I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Who is going to pay for cheats to get a ridiculously marginal advantage? From what I understand, it’s a subscription. No one’s gonna pay like $30 a month for cheats THAT soft. It’s just throwing money away.
And again, it’s not just win/loss. There’s the deaths/10 and the solo kill thing. If my aim, my terrible aim by GM standards btw, can compete with an aimbot…you need a new aimbot. I wouldn’t be able to match them and have such crazy stats if they had a functional aimbot. It wouldn’t happen.
I can roll Masters lobbies, dude. If Master players could compete with GM players, that wouldn’t be a thing.
EDIT: Keep in mind, I’m not being egotistical for no reason. I’m not intending to be a douche, but this is the easiest way to prove my point.
You’re not a dev, love. Knowing how anti-cheat systems work, or knowing how cheats themselves work…none of that will ever give you a concrete number. You don’t have the stats. You can’t even accurately tell me the amount of players this game has. That info isn’t available to us.
So there’s no way in hell you could get an actual NUMERICAL increase. It just isn’t possible.
Ran into a QP aim botter yesterday… replay code viewers also confirmed what I was seeing. Default Mei skin with head snap auto aim and made no effort to hide their cheating other than using streamer mode to disguise their in game name, though replay showed the offender’s actual battle tag. Report was submitted, and got the usual “Thank you for reporting” message today.
Sure, if you want to be arrogant about it.
How do you know how bad they would be without software aiming? They could have horrible aim, but solid positioning and understanding of the game. Just going from terrible aim to GM-tier aim could move them from diamond to GM.
You not seeing them doesn’t mean they aren’t there. They are specifically designed to look like normal good aim which is all it takes to be propelled to GM if you know the rest of the game well.
I’m not sure if they still have top500 leaderboards, but in overwatch 1 they did and if you ever went back to look at them you’d notice that anywhere from 15-40% of them have been permanently banned and deleted. That’s just the people they caught.
That’s not being arrogant, I’m asking a genuine question. Not just me, any streamer or whatever that plays at my level or above it.
How do you know they have software aiming? Even on the most simple hitscan, aim is not and has never been “move mouse this way”. Trigger discipline. Crosshair placement. Movement. All play much bigger roles than the actual movement of the camera itself.
If they lack those skills and can consistently hit GM level players, it’s hard cheats and VERY easy to detect. If they have those skills, they don’t have terrible aim.
No, absolutely not. Aim is the skill check for metal ranks and a given above them. Game sense is what’s needed to get to GM. I’d argue that many Masters players have much better aim than I do. I’m where I’m at because of game sense, not aim. Which, btw, is more evidence that cheaters aren’t common. I’m not some aim god. Hell, I stay away from hitscans because I suck at aiming. But I can still keep up? Nah
And you seeing them doesn’t mean they are. Not if you don’t know what they look like.
Cheating is just one of the MANY bannable things. Claiming that the number is anywhere close to reliable and then trying to say this is just being very disingenuous.
Trying to boast about how good you are definitely feels arrogant to me. Although I looked up your stats and you are blatantly lying for whatever reason so I don’t know how I am supposed to take your word seriously on anything.
It’s not easy to get permanently banned outside of cheating. Almost everything else is a temporary suspension.