The same thing can be applied to every hero; not just what heroes are considered to be the hardest.
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Itâs extremely difficult to climb with Sym beyond a certain rank. Itâs also insanely easy to climb with Sym up to a certain rank. Iâve said things like this several times. I donât get how you guys donât believe I know that.
The thing with characters like Brig and Moira and other characters who are extremely easy to play is that, if they are very effective, they are overpowered. Thatâs just how it works when your character is 100% consistent by design.
If they made a version Soldier: 76 whose bullets were homing missiles, they would obviously have to do way less damage than the ones that arenât. And itâs still a trash idea to make such a hero, because at lower ranks where people canât aim as well, they will have to not only surpass their peerâs aiming skills, but the AI aiming skills of players who just hold down their mouse. A character like Moira can probably out-duel 100% of DPS players in Bronze and Silver.
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Even worse, however, is that most of the extremely easy heroes in the game are specifically designed to counter difficult to play heroes like Genji, Tracer, Doom. This is why no one cares that Mercy is mechanically trivial, but they despise Brig.
One more thing, Iâm not an Ana main. Iâm using Ana to get better at aiming while not being completely useless on Hanzo since he pretty much requires only aim. I also play a lot of Zen for that same reason.
this is how naive you are.
It is not easy to climb with sym in ANY RANK.
In low ranks you rely on your teamates to use teleporter, they WILL NOT.
In midranks only some people will you tele, and by that point your getting focused and have to learn how to position your self PREMTIVLY, no other hero in the game really has to position themselves before a fight starts other than immobile heros.
In high ranks you are getting hard focused, your turrets die instantly, your team is screaming at you to switch,
you know nothing.
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Oh i knowâŚ
I still donât get it.
They donât even have to use your TP in lower ranks as Sym to carry games. Your turrets cans do that for you. You can easily climb to gold like that. Probably Plat
THIS IS HOW NAIVE YOU ARE.
Its like saying âyou dont have to discord with zen to carry games in low ranksâ Having just a DEAD ability is such a waste.
no. Turrets are easily destroyed even by silver/gold players. Turrets are only 50dps each. Do you really think that gold players are that bad? really?
The problem with being on top of the food chain is a lack of competition. Whether it be environmental factors or lack of a natural predator to keep them in check. It causes a drain on resources and forces those lower on the chain to evolve or compensate in someway. Otherwise they remain easy prey and become the way of the dodo.
Balance is a co-existence of an ecosystem. One animal keeps another in check. Having apex predators roam free throws that balance out of whack.
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You really donât have to discord to carry games as Zen in lower ranks if youâre good enough. Sym is far easier to play at lower ranks though so it would be even easier compared to doing it without a discord as Zen
Yes. The majority of players hardstuck in Gold are there because of their lack of awareness. Setting up 3 turrets then TPing those turrets and yourself in the back line will get easy kills against your typical gold players
âŚNo, thatâs not quite right. Letâs back this up.
The thing with characters like Brig and Moira who are easier to play (mechanically) is that theyâre very effective to a certain level because they have a low skill floor and are therefore easier to get the hang of and understand the basics with.
âOverpoweredâ specifically refers to a type of character that is effective to the point where this is no contesting them, only joining them. There has been a few examples of this added into the game and then subsequently removed. Because they were terrible.
BASTIONâS IRONCLAD REWORK- Ever want to sit through an entire hanzo ult and live? Want to be a better soldier who also has another mode that can let you do that? Well let me tell you about Bastions 3 day reign as king of the iron throne, and the blood that lays at his feet.
BETA WIDOWMAKER- Why was Widowmaker bad at release? How broken was she before hand, Iâll quote the old forums: ââA must-pick in almost every competitive and pro match at that timeâ kind of broken.
âA long range 150 body damage hitscan heroâ kind of broken.â Recall, that at that point that meant that a single body shot from Widowmaker would delete Zenyattaâs entire existence.
OG PTR BRIGITTE:
The most broken hero to be unleashed on the PTR servers. The first ever hero to need major nerfs before ever hitting live, and then a subsequent 6 nerfs.
ANAâS OG NANO AND BIONADE:
A lot of folks are new, but the original goats was the season 4 WORLD OF TANKS meta, only preceded by BEYBLADE meta and nanovisor. All Anaâs doing. Want to know the frustration of never being able to demech D.va? Return ana to her glory days before her fall in 2017.
OG Valkyrie:
Heroes never die. Certainly not when you can get four solo rezzes off instantly in a single use of your 20 second ultimate, Mercy.
These were all overpowered heroes. Whether they were low skill or high skill, mechanical aim or otherwise, they were all bad for the game and removed.
Iâd also point out that if the moira is capable of doing that, then why arenât they climbing out of those ranks altogether? Wouldnât they just be winning and taking heads with them? Furthermore, there are plenty of people out there who get angry at Mercy, she was the most frequently targeted before Brigâs existence.
i do agree on that high skill heroes are healthy for the game and the meta. but like: like what some other people are saying: people who choose to master this type of hero shouldnât be awarded a âfree winâ vs a team without a player of this hero. looking back at the dive meta a good tracer player would dominate. not saying tracer was OP. she was healthy for the game, but the meta supported her so so well that a tracer was almost needed (unless ofc you had a god cree/widow/ana/zen). if we could make more heroes like genji, where his high skill can be very rewarding without meaning a free win, that would be pogchamp. but low skill heroes i think are needed in this game, for the main reason of supporting the casuals and the egirl tiddystreamers. (JK)
High ceiling means a crap load of practice in custom games and watch pro plays to git gud. And it should be rewarded. Even Iâm not a widow tracer player I never understand why people complain about them being OP. Of course it should be OP under the right hand, thatâs literally the definition of high skill ceiling.
High skill ceiling only factors in if youâre rewarding skill roughly equally for comparable heroes. A highly skilled Ashe is going to always be at a large disadvantage to a equally skilled Widowmaker.
Itâs obviously never going to be perfectly balanced but the Ashe would have to put in twice the work in a duel with Widow.
You can dynamite the widow without peeking her at all, the definition of âskillâ revolves around utilizing the heroes kit not just aiming itself
Ashe really shouldnât be allowed to be in a position where she can dynamite Widow without Widow seeing the dynamite coming a mile away and even if she doesnât, itâll just make Widow move briefly and Ashe is out her main ult building tool to slightly annoy Widow for a few seconds. If you were really inclined to run Ashe into Widow youâd do it with a Mercy pocket but requiring 2 heroes to equal to 1 is pretty bad math.
Again, orange and apple comparison. Enemy is holding shield and playing around it perfectly, a dynamite on top can really disrupt their formation where widow canât. Thereâs always that instance where widow is stronger, but you can make a case for Ashe as well. If you are Ashe and you choose to engage in sniper dual with a widow instead of utilizing your kit in teamfight maybe that means the Ashe playerâs âskillâ isnât really that good after all.
The fact that Ashe and Widow is being called an apple and orange situation is exactly why Widow is a badly designed kit. Ashe has the same zoom level as Widow and is hitscan yet shouldnât be dueling Widow? If any hero in the game should be allowed a fair shot at Widow itâs Ashe.
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âA fair shotâ is not how this game works, a McCree waiting in the corner to flash bang you, should any dps have a fair shot to counter that? If you say genji can deflect it, well he can deflect widow as well from across the map soâŚ
Thereâs a lot of ways to get around flashbang. You can also have other people react to it between flash and fan like Zarya, Hog, Brig, Baptiste, etc. You canât react to a hitscan headshot.