I asked first. Tell me how higher tiers see the heroes played occasionally, even successfully on rare instances.
Do keep in mind that in reality heroes are seen throughout all tiers of gameplay, if fluctuating at how often they are in games. 1% are just easiest to source examples of gameplay like as well known gamer celebrities.
Why is Doom still rarely performing in high tier?
Tiers often refer to how viable a character toolkit/abilities are. How much you can get out of a character. Generally also the less upfront costs a character has they tend to rank high in a tier list because they are easier to learn and its easier to recover from mistakes made. There are exceptions, but generally people are more accepting to a S-tier that takes a lot of skill to pull off.
To play Doomfist well you have to be able to not only be mechanically sound, but have to recognize situations and bait battles to your favor. He has a LOT of upfront costs in his current state because you can’t get “easy” kills like with Zarya where she can bubble herself and run you down and then have another bubble for a get out of jail free card.
You mess up on doomfist and you are probably dead Or you are too slow to capitalize on knocking someone off a cliff, know when your punch is actually going to kill so you dont waste it, etc etc… you aren’t going to do well with him.
I have a replay of a Doomfist I ran into that was good, let me pull up the video and I’ll show you. ( edit: SPBBC4 )
The advantage of lower tier characters is that the match-up is less known. And if you have the patience and time to learn all sorts of mechanics and strategies you can end up having a huge upperhand. But from what I seen that is so much work. Most sane people would just pick up Zarya.
I’m fine with a Doom that is good. But those that are truly good are going to be GM, T500, Contenders, or OW league. The average player is throwing is my contention, since as you pointed out (exceptions not withstanding and are truly rare) the diff between a doom and zarya is highly recognizable.
Yes, but every one has to start somewhere. If he picks up Doomfist, and does well enough where he stays in Gold then he belongs there. If he is bad he will fall down and you won’t have to bother with him until he improves and climbs.
Unironically yes. The only issue is how long it’d take to get better, and if its worth the effort. Even joke characters like that clown from Don’t Starve are fully playable and master-able characters, and Doom’s way better than that guy.
In theory, Doom would excel in killing groups of low health targets, so that’s already a valuable niche. Secondly, just watch Get Quaked On. As much as I loath to use streamers as examples, the proof is in the pudding when you see how good he is.
And ANY of us can get on his level if we try to learn doom.
I’ve already responded to OP, but everyone should consider that if they’re playing “the worst hero” in your rank, what that says about the relative skill levels, and that’s not a favorable comparison for you.
TLDR, play your hero and stop worrying about what other people play.
Yes you can. In OW1 people used to say support Sym was useless all the time but I was able to one trick her to diamond playing her on all maps even on attack. People have a tendency to massively exaggerate about many things in this game like how good or bad certain heroes are.
Of course you can. But at some point, once you get to high enough elo, you might not be able to compensate for the bad hero by your sheer skill alone.
OW2 is a team-dependent game, and tank hero picks not only affect the tank’s themselves, but their teammates as well.
At high enough elo, the skill gap between players will start to diminish, which then leads you to having to pick the best hero for specific maps/comp to squeeze out as much advantage as possible.
But from low to mid-tier elo, you can probably win games with doomfist if you’re good enough. You’ll probably need to put way more effort than other tank heroes though.
Man, I started this with respect for OP but it started slipping as I kept reading.
You don’t have it figured out man. Stick to being humble and asking questions. You’ll get more answers that way. You’re not helping yourself by projecting your own answers.
Bruh. You are not playing masters level. The overwhelming majority of games at the level you’re playing are won and lost on systems knowledge. I would dispense with the idea that there are ‘S tier’ characters. Tons of characters perform well above their actual power level in average tier match-ups, and there’s two big reasons for it.
One, there’s no accounting for what idiots you’ll have on your own team. The best character is worthless when they’ll do stupid things like walk single file into the other team.
And for another, the worst character magically becomes very good when the other team is populated by idiots. Orisa isn’t particularly strong but she becomes an S tier tank when the other team is dumb enough to focus her over the rest of her team.
Well, of course you can. You can be the best player of a bad hero. That’s still a bad hero, though.
There are great Bastions, Syms, and Pharahs out there, but is that gonna beat a good Genji or even a mid Sojourn? Not likely.
Yes, I’ve seen Dommfist dominating games. Also, he was F tire dps before someone learned him and posted YouTube videos.
Of course you can get better, but, a character with as many shortcomings as Doomfist also needs a ton of support dedicated to him from his team. An amazing Doomfist can’t just walk on the enemy team like a Zarya or Orisa possibly could.
More or less, they’re practicing for when Doomfist gets the buffs he so desperately needs. Right now, a moderately competent team makes Doomfist a non-factor, for the most part, unless the Doomfist is cracked, and his team is fully in support of his efforts
Doom has a really high skill ceiling, so yes, you can get better.
Why couldn’t you improve on an F tier hero ? If you play doomfist and afk in spawn and that’s your game play, there is still room for improvement like pressing W is improvement. I know that’s an extremely example but it’s still valid. You can get better on a hero if you try to get better on it lol. With that said as well, there are a lot of players who play heroes considered “bad” and do exceptionally on them. There are a handful of people that somehow got top 500 on bastion in ow1 despite him being a very niche and not a versatile hero. It’s not ideal but it is possible.
People are so quick to shame people being good at an F tier hero. People forget Lucio was once F tier, Sombra was once F tier, Genji was not meta for years. Just because someone is good at a character that isn’t meta now doesn’t mean their character will be bad forever.
You can get better but you are going to suck until get there.
Tiers lists can be overcome in lower ranks (idk, below masters… maybe?) far easily because people make too many mistakes all the time and you have your own gameplay to improve. So you can minmax a lot of situations with enough experience and knowledge.
This is a very true statement I think. This does not mean choosing Reinhardt and pressing charge all the time - you have to play with your brain switched on.
Depends on how the Doom plays. Thing with Doom is, you’re either God himself or you’re straight garbage. There is no average or in-between Doom player. The garbage Doom will always feed, whereas the God Doom will not be stopped and will never lose momentum until he comes across a Sombra.
Yes, you can’t. You can perform on your best level, you can even win and rank up, but internal limits of the hero won’t allow you to perform as good as… well, any other hero, making your experience super frustrating
I watched ZBRA’s videos, 70% of each is him punching someone from a cliff, 25% making one (one!) stylish kill, and maybe 1-2 clips of making 3-4 kills. That’s just stupid, what a gameplay