Teamwork is rare even amongst the 99.8th percentile of players so good luck with that one.
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If you need an entire team to deal with one single hero (and players in both teams are of equal skill level), this hero is OP period. I don’t understand why people try to avoid this truth so much.
Mei only needs to be focused on because of her annoying survivability. She is not even close to being a huge threat like DF is. Her TTK is muuuch longer, her CDs are longer, and her overall dmg output is much lower. Mei is pure close range CC, whereas DF is CC, high damage output, mobility and instakill machine.
You don’t need an entire team to focus on DF because of his survivability only, but also because he can kill you or your teammate in a blink.
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That’s just your team having awful resource allocation. Hack alone makes Doomfist a free kill if your aim isn’t garbage tier. Roadhog’s normal combo can even kill him. Stun + FTH kills him. Mei freezes him and he dies. PTR Rein can just whack him to death since his knockbacks do nothing to him right now.
Bastion needs good coordination to effectively kill him yet he never receives those complaints.
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DF presents the same problem as Widow. If you don’t keep flawless track on what he’s doing, he’s going to snag one kill before a hack can go through. Even if he dies after, it’s a win, because he gets back much faster.
They should just increase his shields a lot, cut his damage in half, and make him a tank.
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DF really doesn’t have any counters I all agree. At best he has “soft counters” that can make his life difficult but nothign to the degree of “switch off or else”. Not like DF himself causes others.
Most the so called “counters” can’t even kill DF themselves. All they do is slow/stun him long enough for your team to kill him. When one hero requires the team work two or more to kill there are some problems.
Hero’s like Sombra, Mei, Brig etc just don’t have the dmg to convert that CC into a kill most the time on their own.
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How about support? He punches allies to heal them!
One punch is all I need… …to stop you from asking heals.
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A counter is someone who has at least a slight advantage in the match up. It does not always mean it is a complete dominance in the match up.
For example, if a hero has a 6 out of 10 chance to beat another hero, that hero has an advantage, and thus a counter. This is the issues I find with the forums. The forum keeps thinking a counter is a 99 out of 100 chance of winning their match up.
Also, in OW, a counter does not always require you to kill the opponent. As long as you are preventing them from doing their job while being able to do your job, you are essentially lowering the opponent’s value in the match up, thus countering him. This is a team game, not a 1v1 duel.
Another issues I have with the forums is that they believe counter is restricted to only the hero character, but counters also involves abilities as well. This is what makes Sombra powerful, she gets to choose who she counters with her hack ability.
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you can stun him out of combo and knock him back not to mention if you play with good players and from this post i dont think you do then all you need is a 1 second stun to pick off a doom in the middle of your team
depends on your rank which leads me to believe you only think he has no counters because you’ve never truely explored all the options to counter the character
anyone who plays doom understands hanzo can just jump out of doom range with his lunge every single time he goes in and since you’re a huge target in gis face he gets free shots on your huge hitbox
instant cast stun and you can double headshot now with 1 flash bang or fth either with kill him so…
hog is doom’s biggest counter. I mean unless you’re like bronze or something i don’t know where doom beats hog when hog can just oneshot doom and pull him out of a combo not to mention hog is tanky enough to survive his combos
Either you have no aim or you have no mouse but trying to kill orisa solo as a doomfist is suicide. A character doesn’t need to be release brig levels of countering to counter someone i.e. I dont shut you down because i picked this character. There is still counterplay
More like if the zarya is smart. A lot of these only apply to trash players who don’t know how to play the game. Zarya is super annoying especially when all she has to do his bubble the person doom is looking at because he’ll just end up giving her 40 charge from the bubble
Mei will die to rp but she also has a wall to block that and an invulnerability ability that also heals her so… and if he does for and e + shift combo then she will just freeze him and it doesn’t take long not to mention his huge hitbox and her freeze slows his abilities and they increase rp time which means even if he does a quick punch to get away he wont get far
he’s basically a rock now
All of these seem like personal problems YOU can’t deal with because literally all of the characters you listed do well against doomfist they may not all win the matchup the majority of the time but they do have counter-play
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And that’s the problem: Doom forces 1v1 duels in a team game.
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I don’t think Doom is as overtuned as people think he is. I wish he didn’t have a one shot ability, that’s about it. I main Ana and Zen and I have stopped playing them as often because Doom is so meta. But that’s just it, people see him as super strong because he’s so meta, when in reality he’s not.
I think Reaper, Mei and McCree are overtuned. Even Junkrat and Hammond are overtuned but people don’t realize it because they’re not the meta. I don’t think Reaper needs that much lifesteal, I think McCree’s fire rate is insane, and Mei does way too much, has short cooldowns and super strong abilities.
Doom will stop being played when the meta shifts. But he’s not as overtuned as other DPS. Just remove the one shot punch for him and I’ll be a happy support player again.
Unfortunately the community have a huge display for utility base hero with low damage that counters ability reliant heroes.
Idk about the others but Hanzo does not counter Doomfist.
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Yes and no. In an organize fight, it doesn’t happen because he is often gang up on. In an disorganize fight, such as in QP and MH, definitely.
The problem is who are one complaining. The one that are playing competitive, and at what rank? Or are they the one playing QP or Arcade mode?
Doomfist literally strives in QP and Arcade mode. It’s the same for Bastion.
For the average player not really but Hanzo does have a fairly spam able attack that can one shot DF if he’s not at max shields. So by luck or skill Hanzo has a fair chance of taking DF out. Any hero that can kill him in shot is a better counter to DF than most.
Most hero’s problem is they hurt DF but he almost always gets away before you convert it to a kill.
Can We Stop Pretending Doomfist Has “Counters”?
Have you never come across Orisa, Hog, Mei or Pharah? Even Bastion, Torb and Junkrat (to an extent) can fight back. Doomfists just love to get stuck in Junk traps.
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I would argue Phara really isn’t a DF counter. Sure they really can’t kill each other, but for hte most part they both just ignore the DF/Phara and wreck havoc on the rest of the team. Considering it takes two or more rockets to kill a DF it would be pretty amazing to land that many on DF before he runs or gets healed.
He jumps and slams all about with pretty high mobility to the point it’s rather hard for the slow rockets to hit him on purpose. Not impossible but given it takes 2-3 direct hits to kill DF I would hardly say it’s a counter match up. More equal than anything.
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I wouldn’t say Pharah counters him directly. They’re just characters that don’t interact. It’s hard to hit a Doom with directs on Pharah cuz of his insane mobility. I do think Pharah is way more dangerous to Doom than Doom is to Pharah but she’s not necessarily a direct counter.
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Funny no one ever says torb Is a counter, torb main here and it’s super rare i lose to a doom he spends so much time floating in the air turret just popping him lol
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Doom has quite linear movement, and from Pharah’s (my main) perspective he’s one of the easiest to predict once you have eyes on him. I certainly don’t usually have good time playing against a watchful Pharahs when I’m playing some Doomfist.
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