Depends on the players you get.
Not everyone is a Lucio player.
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Thats true but i would say they are way more common than brig players 
It took me a minute but I guess youāre making assumptions about my pfp. Then making assumptions on top of those assumptions lmao.
You could just join the conversation though.
Hi, welcome!
Edit: Iām a flex support. Iāve been learning and playing the entire support roster for awhile. Not a Genji main.
Iām really enjoying Brig right now. I top heals pretty easily on her and know my place in regard to where I am in in any given fightā¦okay maybe sometimes I get a bit aggressive and go in wailing but sometimes you get that itch, heh.
Only thing I would recommend is they give her flail a wee bit more damage. It takes 3 hits to kill a Junkrat trap for instance. For how slow it is, just a bit of a buff there would be fair I think.
Love her new shield bash cd and range too. Glad they removed the stun.
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Yeah I mean she plays basically like mercy pocketing dps and peeling for squishies. Sometimes she can brawl with a rein on a corner or if you get zarya bubbles but even zarya bubbles are more valuable on zarya herself or dps. In 5v5 youāre less likely to get punished so you can play more aggressively but brig is still primarily a pocket/peel support.
Itās literally just lucio has speed. And heās very good at 1v1s. Heās ok at peeling but he just canāt keep something like a widow alive as easily as a brig can
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All support need something.
She isnāt frontline support IMHO.
I see her more like a defender of your teamās dps and healers, so she has to peel them with her kit.
I donāt think she needs more HP, she has the power enough to make a flanker go away.
This isnt the discussion being had, its whether Brig or Lucio are better at backline peel, and trying to get people to understand shes not supposed to be frontlining as though she were a Reinhardt that can also heal.
The multi target boop is a valid point, but typically the targets diving you are mobile and youre trying to speed away anyways, and if you have to amp speed away, you have pathetic healing thats almost on the level of placebo for the next 12 seconds, and lucio doesnt last long when being focused. Sure, you can escape more easily than anyone other than maybe kiriko, but that leaves whoever you were peeling for to die.
Hitting whipshot gives everyone in a large area (larger than lucios aura range) lucio passive level healing for 5 seconds and can boop a target from 20m away, before theyāve even gotten close enough to start dealing real damage. Pack gives you better healing than lucios amp heals on its own on a single target, for potentially a longer time. Brig herself, thanks to armor health and her shield can last much longer from a dive.
As an example, try peeling for your ana or zen as Brig against winston with ult (assuming this is happening at a skill level where Winstons can actually control their primal effectively). As Lucio you can try to buy time for winston to be killed or have to jump out, but this is much harder than with brig where they will often try to target you instead because they cant kill anyone else while youre able to pocket them with packs and boop him from range. Brig is easily better in a matchup like this.
Alternatively, you cant peel against nanoblade, or potentially regular blade as Brig the same way you can with lucio. Regular blade, speed his target away, boop him if hes too close. Nanoblade, try to get your 36 year cast time defensive ult off and then speed his target away so he cant kill them through beat anyways. Lucio is definitely better in a matchup like this.
Basically for relatively lower levels of damage, you can just sustain in your position with Brig instead of being pushed back away from the fight. Against higher levels of damage, youāll need Lucios speed and possibly his much better ult to avoid or mitigate the lethal damage.
Speed is more generally useful, you can use it for than just trying to peel. Also, again, his ult is a much MUCH better defensive ult than rally.
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This. If a monkey or Genji keeps attacking my Ana for instance then I go Brig and make it my lifeās work to defend them. I stay back and next to her like glue.
You can enable zarya which is very strong right now speed her around. You can speed around genji as if he need even more speed especially when using blade, you CAN peel, and you can 1v1 squishies if youāre good enough. And his ult is better against things like grav, flux, blade, overclock, emp if you hide etc. Lucio is just more versatile. Brig is just more niche especially after all her nerfs which is right where she should be. Maybe too niche but I digress.
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Thats pretty much what Im getting at. With Brig you can make it next to impossible to dive your support without ults or a full 3 or 4 man dive, but thats mostly it.
With Lucio, yes, you can still peel, but you can also do so much more.
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I honestly donāt know what youāre talking about.
I literally said there are multiple ways to play Brig. At no point did I say she had to play a certain way all the time.
I am saying her valid playstyles are at odd with her visuals and kit design and that I just dont find those styles as fun as front line Brig.
What does that even mean? her āvalidā playstyle is at odds with her kit and how she looks? and Joats is frontline brigā¦
Iām skipping to the part where I understand you donāt know what Iām saying and you just want a brig buff for an oddly specific reason.
This thread has brought it up multiple times, but if you want my opinion check post number 33 in this thread
Joats was also OWL specific and was essentially killed before October 4th with the JQ nerfs. [offtopic: joats is a really terrible name]
No need to skip. You replied to me saying I dont know what youāre sayingā¦
Not really.
Iāve already said multiple time thatās sheās viable. I just dont think sheās as fun as she used to be.
In post 33 Iām replying to someone about her shield not blocking shatters and wanting it to be more reliable. I mentioned it could be a latency issue and gave an example instead of just saying āyeah, give her buffsā, but did say I wouldnt mind shield changes.
And in the same post I said I willing to take damage nerfs if it meant being on the front line more often.
So no, I donāt want a bunch of buffs, but I would appreciate adjustments what would make her more front-line skewed or just more fun to me. If that requires nerfs in some areas and buffs in others, then Iām generally fine with either direction.
Iām not reading every single one of your replies back to post #33 because i was talking to someone else.
My reply wasnāt meant for you.
Play defensively and the opposing genji can right click - dash you and wipe you out in the miniscule effective range you have.
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In OW1, what deterred flankers was the stun. In OW2, you arenāt deterring a flanker who knows your lethal range is melee. All they have to do is dance around that lethal range with their superior mobility and chip away at your health.
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Actually Brig is not supposed to be a frontline supp, not anymore, but an anti-flank support.
But I agree that she could be more tanky. It is coherent with her design, but if she get 50 more armor to her HP pull she really needs a tuned down to hers damages or we will live again what Brig was at launch; probably one of the most unbalanced release of the game.
Brig makes it harder yes but not impossible even without ults especially with these dive dps level srry for the late reply.
they wont. if dps cant walk over the entire game they wont play