He’s always been stable, but not at the top- more like on the edge of viable.
Considering his hardest counter was both meta and effective at actually shutting him down for literal years, not really.
If you eliminate the competition the DPS role simply becomes underpowered compared to the others because you’re pretty much left with C to F tiers. They inherently don’t get enough done.
Not on the edge of viable, viable. Simply viable.
Brig ? She has never been meta on ladder. She never even had a higher pickrate than Genji, even before all the nerfs.
Hot take. Are you seriously implying Hanzo isn’t OP and that everyone below him is underpowered ?
Sym has received similar treatment, including weird compensatory changes that don’t entirely make sense.
The effect of the PTR patch isn’t really known yet, but atm on live it’s a meme, and has been for years. At least Photon is actually good.
This is a real problem, but it’s an art team problem. McCree and Sym’s balance are both problems, but within the context of the underpowered DPS, it’s not exactly relevant.
Nope, barely viable. As in an entire comp dedicated to boosting and protecting him is sometimes useful.
Which is basically popularity inflating usage numbers.
I’m not sure where you’re getting that from, because I’ve literally stated that Hanzo is part of the competition.
But on that note, before the big tank patch and overall power creep control measures, I would have agreed with that, and would have wanted buffs to many DPS, but also many supports and tanks.
That’s not true at all McCree has continued to be one of the most balanced heroes in the game for a while now. It doesn’t matter if hasn’t been meta in a long time, that fact the he performs well and has good statistics across the board at all rank means he’s been fine. There’s no comparison to a hero who’s been considered so bad to the point where your teammates will report you for pick said hero before that match even starts. Symmetra’s not that bad anymore but she’s performs less efficiently compared to most other heroes. Obviously there are heroes who are neglected far worse like Bastion but that’s another story.
Devs really need to stop showing favoritism when balancing heroes. The game would be a lot more fun if there was a wider variety of heroes to play that didn’t have to be meta, just well balanced.
No, he was viable. Still is. Always has been.
Ashe or Junk are more “on the edge.”
Or, more realistically, Genji was still viable and good. He’s still a Top 3 DPS to this day.
You say that eliminating competition makes the DPS role underpowered.
Right now, only one DPS out-picks McCree: Hanzo.
So either you think Hanzo is balanced, or that everyone below him is underpowered, or both.
As I said, hot take.
Symmetra was never meant to be the #1 barrier buster, though. That’s Bastion’s job.
Oh, he’s been consistently trash for a while now, hasn’t he? Shame.
Devs literally stated that when Symmetra’s 2nd rework went live that they intended to make her a Barrier Buster.
Majority of the heroes share a similar role this is no different.
There’s not really an easy way to go about buffing him without making him op, same can be said about certain other heroes but bastion is especially harder to balance.
Except that doesn’t happen. He’s always had mediocre performance and statistics, across all ranks, with a surprising amount of stability and consistency over the years.
What the playerbase perceives has been to be out of touch with reality, especially after a major nerf or buff. Much like how everyone thinks Sym is bad, even during the two weeks she was actually decent, everyone thinks McCree is decent, when the numbers consistently state otherwise.
Realistically, I think the devs have no idea what to do with specific characters and are actively focusing on balancing the rest of the game first, not because of favoritism, but because it’s easy.
Junk has long gone past the edge. Ashe has always been beyond the edge.
Despite major shifts in GM and the pro scene across many metas, he’s been consistently high literally everywhere else. This is popularity at work.
Looking at GM stats there’s plenty of better DPS. Meanwhile at GM, McCree joins Reaper and Bastion as the only characters with a sub 50% winrate, but unlike the latter two and the other F tiers, McCree has enough of a pickrate to suggest a valid sample size. Looking at pro stats paints a grimmer picture. This is popularity at work.
I do make hot takes, but not very often. McCree being trash isn’t one of them.
honestly the mccree buffs didn’t really help him that much, but it is understandable why they buffed his hp, he does got a pretty big hitbox.
but somehow i feel it’s gonna be irrelevant for meta purposes.
it might have an effect against these mobile characters like tracer and genji etc.
but against widow or hanzo? not much of a difference.
Sym has been trowpick always. Mcree never.
Whatever, they never said she was supposed to be the #1 barrier buster, so my point stands.
Being the #1 barrier buster is Bastion’s job, my point stands.
There are two sides to an edge.
Popular heroes do not get picked when they’re bad. I already said that didn’t I ?
Three. Hanzo, Mei and Widowmaker.
There’s no “popularity” in GM. They pick what works. McCree works better than 12 heroes out of the 15 around him.
Oh it is a hot take. McCree isn’t trash. Worse than some of the more busted DPS, sure, but trash ? No.
He isn’t Bastion, Sombra, Sym or Torb, or even D.Va.
And this doesn’t appear to be the case.
With a noticeable drop in pickrate and winrate.
Except they don’t always pick what works best. GM has always been full of streamers screwing around, and with 2/2/2, getting full GM games is increasingly rare. What we do know is that McCree loses a lot- more than characters that are picked less.
Many DPS have passed him on the way up and the way down, but McCree has remained about the same distance from the first 4, and it’s not very far.
Lay down them facts guys. Mccree might of not been tweaked a lot, but he never been left out of the battlefield where as Symmetra been always the failed experiment.
god can we stop with this entitlement?
It’s not like the forum has the copyright on buffs or ideas.
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure.
D.Va isn’t a popular hero, and she totally haven’t spent the last 6 months at the bottom 3 in GM, and lowest spot of her category overall. She totally wasn’t the first non-DPS below 1% pickrate on OVerbuff either.
I must have been dreaming.
There’s a bigger drop in pickrate between McCree and Tracer (0.61%) than between Widow and McCree (0.15%).
Most non-GM in GM matches are tanks, not DPS.
Also, a few streamers messing up do not make a whole tier of stats change that drastically.
“Not very far” ? He’s ALWAYS been a top 5 DPS. His pickrate has ALWAYS been middle of the pack, around the 3-5% mark, which is a balanced spot to be for a tank, not a DPS.
McCree’s tank equivalent pickrate is 5.6% in GM. If he’s trash, what was D.Va and her rock bottom 0.1% ? If he’s trash, what is Bastion and his 0.00% ?
99 percent of the player base, including the devs actually. They want to keep Sym as a niche heroe, not the general all purpose or the go-to hero.
No one gonna watch or play a game where Sym is dominant.
I hear ya, but when it comes to tweaking heroes with Overwatch formula. Those who aren’t favorable tends to get the shaft more than others. Brig, Moira, Symmetra, Ana, Tanks, soon to be Mei and now Reaper. Seems to be anyone who isn’t remarkably mid - long range except Ana will get hit with the nerf ban harder than others.
Wouldn’t say 99% of the playerbase, but it seems that’s the developers plan from the start.
shes not a barrier buster though
That’s simply because you don’t value playing Sym; its easy to dismiss when its not one of your characters to play…
FWIW, I almost guarantee Bastion is getting a Brig 2.0 style soft rework come OW 2.