Pretty good idea thought id help spread it
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I saw this. Actually such an amazing idea.
This would make overwatch so much better.
I doubt weâll get it any time soon if at all because you know how the overwatch team is with new features and such. Not really complaining, since the extra time ensures they do it right.
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It would take them time to code and test etc but the system can be used in future games guaranteeing a better quality product in the long run
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So what youâre saying is.
Overwatch in Overwatch.
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A TLDR for those who canât watch at the moment
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Basically a player-driven jury that can review game footage of people being reported
I assume action is taken if and when the jury has an overwhelming majority vote
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That seems a bit dodgy to me. Would need to be extremely careful with who they pick and I donât think they should be involved reports based on cheating.
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Issue is, the things that would need to be looked at are much more complex than CS:GOâs âare they hacking or not?â
Like, say someone gets reported for gameplay sabotage for playing Sym. Being a potential Gameplay Sabotage case, itâd probably be sent through the player-review system, and we have a bunch of people in this community who legitimately think that if you do or donât go certain picks, youâre throwing and should be banned, regardless of how hard youâre trying on said hero.
Personally I think the exact opposite. Those would be the only reports they should show, as itâs much easier to tell if someone is walling/aimbotting than it is to see if theyâre throwing, just because of how⌠âlooseâ of a term throwing can be in this community. Like I said above, half the community thinks people should be banned for âsub optimal picksâ - despite the devs literally saying that shouldnât be the case on numerous occasions.
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Replays are not accurate enough to show if someone is cheating or not. There are also a lot of people who canât tell the difference between good aim and an aimbot.
Sometimes pros even get accused of aimbotting by other pros if they donât know each other.
I simply donât trust the playerbase with this kind of responsibility.
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Same. I donât usually trust BTCâs videos based around his ideas/opinions. Have you seen his balance decision videos?! shudders
But after sitting down and watching the whole thing objectively, I think he makes some pretty good points. He explains the system in detail, compares it to a preexisting system in CSGO, and addresses counter arguments and concerns.
And not trusting the idea based solely on a TLDR doesnât really do it justice.
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No and yes.
Letâs put it this way:
I trust 100% that it works for the CS:GO community to a reliable degree. If you know what to look for, cheats arenât really that hard to pick out.
That said, I honestly doubt itâd work with this community, for the exact reasons you listed. This community can be a bit⌠dense and defensive at times.
I will say though, CS:GO does also have a rank restriction on who can and canât participate (the equivalent being around Plat+, though obviously it can be tweaked), and you have to maintain above that bar in order to keep access. That way you donât have sub-500 players looking at GMâs and going âOMG Thereâs no way anyoneâs that good!!!â
Currently when youâre throwing all of your matches:
- you get mass-reported for âgameplay sabotageâ, and banned after a while if you keep getting reported
- you lose sr af
Do you really need such a thing? Leavers are a bigger problem. (backfilling after 3 min is hard? otherwise, instant temporary bot-backfilling is still better than 5v6)
Also this. Smart cheaters seem playing normally, but theyâre actually not.
If heâs GM and heâs smurfing, itâs his fault for being reported.
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I donât think itâs necessary. Player reviews could only ever scratch the surface anyway because of numbers.
With time, the machine learning systems Blizz have will only get better and more efficient at it anyway.
Systems like this have been shown to have unconscious biases as well, and given the reputation of the gamer community, I just wouldnât trust it.
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This guy is turning into another Stylosa lol.
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Just watched it. I still donât think that the replay system has proved itself to be accurate enough at showing what happens to really be used as a way to punish people based off of it.
He said in the video that in CSGO there arenât any rank limitations and OW based on his idea wouldnât have either.
Yeah, but even smurfing isnât reportable in itself, so if reports from a smurf who wasnât throwing were sent in to be reviewed, they would need to be voted to be dismised.
I can guarantee that thereâs a rank limitation somewhere in Gold Nova, I believe the bar was at Nova Master. At least there was when I played, which admittedly has been a bit.
If heâs claiming that there isnât, then he legitimately did not do his homework and you should take anything else he claims with a serious grain of salt.
In fact, with just a quick Google search, I found a page about the FAQ for CS:GOâs Overwatch program, and it says the following:
How do investigators get selected?
Investigators are selected based on their CS:GO activity (competitive wins, account age, hours played, Skill Group, low report count, etc.) and, if applicable, prior Overwatch participation level and score (a function of their accuracy as an investigator). Community members who maintain both a high level of activity and high Overwatch scores will receive more cases to elect to participate in.
Source: blog. counter-strike. net/index.php/overwatch/
(And on a separate note, apparently Iâve lost trust level 3, so just be mindful of the spaces after the dots)
He said that there was in CS, but he didnât want one in OW. However, I think it would be beneficial to have one.
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Oh there definitely should be.
I donât want Bronze players defining whatâs âtoo good for human reactionâ should be.
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You were talking about Cheating in that case, not about Gameplay Sabotage. 
Itâs neither, the only way you can report someone for smurfing is if they are actively throwing games to place as low as possible. Most people who smurf simply play a hero they are really bad with to get placed low.