I’m sorry you don’t seem to understand sometimes its not your job to deal with her. Like a Symmetra vs Winston. Usually you want your reaper or soldier to deal with them. The counter play sometimes isn’t in your hands it’s a team game and I already told you ways Rein’s deal with her. She needs a comp to allow her to be effevtive and work in her area of effectiveness… As her enemy you want to disable her. Rein is very powerful in team fights. His ultimate is instant cc that almost has no counterplay if your enemy doesnt have shields, one hit kills with charge and a 2 k shield to burn through.
As you pointed out you can stop Rein from everything. You can interrupt his Ultimate from near and far, so the only way to use his Ultimate effectively is when Bridgitte is dead or not being played. All of your abilities get to go through his shield making him even more vulnerable then he was. I understand why you are defending it because it is your “new” main, but to someone who has invested 300 hours into a character only to see him constantly get the shaft it is becoming a little to much to stand.
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It might not be your job to deal with her, but the fact that she can bully you without you being able to do anything to stop her is unfun, and unnecessary.
Every game of reinhardt I’ve played against Brigitte, I’ve literally stood there thinking “There is literally nothing I can do to stop this” as I’ve been battered and killed by her. That isn’t healthy for the game, and as far as I can tell not an intended design choice by the developers.
Also, Symmetra isn’t a great example as she’s a horribly underpowered hero and doesn’t deserve to be in the position she’s in either.
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Well by your logic you wouldn’t be having fun. I may be wrong, but unless you’re a pro shouldn’t that be the whole point of playing?
Hey now, no need to get nasty. This has actually been one of the more productive and mutually cordial exchanges I’ve had on this forum. I don’t dislike you in any way and I appreciate that there’s been very little name-calling. This has been very unusual in that regard.
There are ways to work around being countered is what I’m saying. I play Symmetra differently if my enemy has a Winston. As Rein you would have to play differently if the enemy has a bridgette. Bridgette seems as much niche as Symmetra is. Which is why I am saying things. There are some frustrating matchups that you feel like you cant do anytging like Genji vs Widowmaker for example which I don’t find enjoyable but Widow can sometimes kill genji or die to his deflection. Rein has got to vhange his positioning patterns and be more responsive to openings in fights with a bridgette.
I’d rather the game be made more fun while playing effectively than to have to switch heroes while our team is doing well. that’s what I’ve been trying to argue this entire time.
And sorry for that, I’m just frustrated as I’ve felt like I’ve kind of been going in circles in this argument on my end. I didn’t mean anything particularly nasty but I’ve gotten in trouble just for calling someone who was throwing a thrower, so even very light things apparently are off the table for me to be able to say. It would have mostly just been in regards to my dislike for going around in circles and how I felt about that.
“But Rein can just hold left click on her”
The problem is Reinhardt is not a free agent as a tank, and so can’t play as differently without being entirely useless, and also that Brigitte’s best positioning is often the same as Reinhardts, meaning they always end up in the same spot.
Someone like Symmetra is free to avoid a Winston, but if Reinhardt avoids a Brigitte his entire team could die because of it, especially because he has no mobility he can use in order to skirt around her while still being effective like someone like Winston might to their counters.
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I think this debate will just go round in circles until we have more experience of Brigitte. Don’t get me wrong, I am 100% sure that she’ll get nerfed before she’s allowed into comp so I don’t think we should get too worked up until then. Anyway man no hard feelings, We disagree on many things but we both clearly love playing Overwatch. Arguing gets us nowhere.
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Yeah, I basically dropped playing tanks entirely because Brigitte is so annoying to play against, which is a shame as I enjoyed playing all of them.
She basically just tells the enemy tanks to try and walk through a flashbang, as you can’t avoid it or block it. That said, I don’t necessarily think it needs a nerf. A counter is a counter. I just wish Blizz would be a bit smarter with their counters in the future. Bastion is a great barrier counter, and he’s way less frustrating to play against. Enough with the counters that take away your strength, like Sombra too.
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I find playing D.Va the best option to facing bridgette unless the enemy stacks tanks. Bastion seems to do well with a bridgette and 3 tanks. Orisa is also good for applying pressure from a distance.
I don’t think people are complaining that you’d have to swap off Rein. It’s just that Brigitte is suppose to endorse a more brawly and tank comp, and with that means that you’d likely be fighting Junkrat, (buffed) Mei, (buffed) Reaper, Roadhog, and other heroes with strong CC.
While Rein is arguably the carry hero in those type of comps, he can also be tossed around a lot and it can feel very unfun to play in those situations. She’s a hero that’s suppose to fight dive but she’s also extremely strong against heroes in the meta she’s suppose to try to strengthen. I wish she countered dive in some way that didn’t involve an antifun CC.
I’m saying anything anything about her strength. I’m just saying I’d rather have her be strong against dive in a way that isn’t via a potent CC because Reinhardt (and nondive in general) gets hurt really hard by them.
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Brigitte’s stun is far to easy to get off, like it was said earlier she thrives in brawly, in your face comps that enable her to overcome it’s one drawback which is its range.
It should not be able to penetrate a shield as it leaves no room for counterplay, as a Rein you are left defenseless against her and the follow up from her team. Switching is oftentimes not a viable strat as there is only Orisa to fulfill the main tank role, unless you run dive. Dive being the meta Brigitte was designed to stop.
The Rein v Rein match up is far more even than the Rein v Orisa, as her shield can be beaten by pressing W. Saying that my team should get a Brigitte of our own to counter theirs, is basically the same as when Mercy was a must pick.
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A good Junkrat or Pharah can make her pretty useless. maybe counter her?
This would fix it all imo, I don’t mind ehr range or anything just hate that she can bash me through my shield and it takes so long to put the shield back up after that whoever I was defending is in trouble.
There is no risk to her shield bashing me, easy slow moving target that you can take the shield out of commission for long enough to get a pick it’s a bit silly.
As you said simply making shields cancel eachother out ie she can’t shieldbash through a shield would fix it all I think.
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I don’t need to counter her, as Rein is already probably the best main tank choice against her anyway (imo).
What I need is for her to not be unfun to play against despite that.
As i said, take Pharah and Brigitte can’t even shield bash Rein anymore because Pharah destroyed her shield…
You don’t even know how effective Pharah is against Brigitte.
Okay, but I could be winning and still not be having fun. Should I really ask my teammate to swap, or swap myself, and risk hurting our chances of winning, just because Brigitte is inherently unfun?
Yes.
look man I’m trying to extend the olive branch here. I don’t think we’ll agree but I’d love to continue this debate when she’s allowed in competitive.
Did I reply to you? That was supposed to be in reply to @Asala