Moira was obnoxious when she first came out, but people learned to play around her. Dva can eat her orbs, and out damage her vampirism. She’s open to most damage, and can be stunned out her ult.
Brigitte, on the other hand, counters 94% of the roster just with her kit. Shield, stun and bump people every 4-6s. The only 4 heroes that consistently counter her, are junkrat, pharah, widow and hanzo. All of them used to be high damage, but super niche. Now they’re in every game. These high damage, instakill heroes that you’d see every once in a while are now all viable in the meta.
Conclusion: Blizzard does not test any of the heroes they release outside of making sure they work. They release a hero that counters the meta, without realizing she subsequently counters everything. They’d rather spend time developing things like Death Match, than making sure the base game doesn’t get screwed. Never seen so many people quit and unanimously agree that a hero is broken. The way she affects the game, is so that the only thing that works anymore consistently is high damage and lucky counter picking. Tanks and healers need not apply. Unless you’re brigitte.
She’s not that big of an issue in my opinion. Sure, her cooldowns are a bit too short, but as a whole she’s not that ridiculous (at least not in Diamond, don’t know about the other ranks).
i disagree with her countering most heroes. i believe she counters most players. i believe this is because being stunned then combo-ed is really not a fun way to die and that blizz should try to make its use better suited to killing dive rather than pissing off players like me (a tank main).
Yep, get a supposed “Healer” that can defend her(or Him)self and people start saying that the the Hero is bad for the game. Saw it with Moria, which got nerfed. I expect to see it for Zenyatta, but he just got a Nerf so he may be safe for a while. Kind of sad if you ask me.
i would rather nerf widow or just do something so she isn’t in ever god damn game. I just want to enjoy an objective based game. I quit games like COD CSGO and other shooters because of low ttk. I Don’t want an instakill game. please
I feel like a shield that blocks most damage and alternate abilities with stuns, boops and damage to back it up is good enough to counter most. And like you said, she disrespects all tanks except maybe zarya.
I think the biggest difference is that if you have good aim, you can just shoot Moira in the head and she falls down. You can’t shoot Brig at all… she’s just a little unstoppable wrecking ball. Terrible hero design.
Not really. If everyone’s running around saying “she hard counters Tracer!” Then those pick rates show she failed at that. Terrible hero design like Trog said.
Here’s the thing. She is counterable. But ANYTHING that doesn’t counter her directly, gets STOMPED. That’s why the meta is extremely limited. She can’t work against a very limited set of line ups. But stomps anything else you decide to run. Therefore, preventing the possibility of a diverse meta. Dive was never this strict. This is the most strict meta we had since the beginning of comp. Even more so than triple tank meta.
Its funny that if Brigitte is killing the game, she would be such a must pick and irreplacable. Hint. Shes not.
If we look at this weeks pickrates, she actually has an average pick if you look at plat and above. Shes not even in the top 5 and is being pushed out by other heroes like Widow, Ana, Genji, D.va, Winston and Tracer. Sounds like if shes getting replaced easy, she must be killing the game behind the scenes.
The heroes whom have constant picks and is not easily replaceable are Zarya, Rein, Mercy, Zen and Hanzo; mostly due to it being a deathball comp and them utilizing Dragon Ball combo and trying to counter it.
Its strict now because its something new. Dive wasnt as diverse as it was in the first iteration as well like around S4-S5, it only took months of a lot of hero changes for heroes to fit into dive which most people are talking about are S9.
What needs to happen is that we need to nerf Hanzo (not too much but fairly so he doesnt become a troll pick again), buff/ fix heroes whom should have had been a counter to this meta; Sombra, and see how the upcoming patch with Symmetra would affect the meta as it provides some counterplay to the Dragon Ball combo.
A LOT of changes are on their way as we speak and we’ll see how it goes. Even a new hero is already upon us.
Its not about a healer having some defense. Its that the healer DIRECTLY counters every flanker… why play a tracer when there briggette in the back can global you.
Or you know, not everything is always a must with Tracer and other heroes exist.
Flankers are designed to go into the backline and harass the enemy team, it did not specify they HAVE to counter EVERY healer as well. You can pick and initiate the fight on whomever you want, but that doesnt mean everything should go to your way with every support.
Nerfing hanzo will remove the final wall that’s holding back triple tank triple support meta. This meta had 6 Viable choices before hanzo rework. Now it has around 7. He’s not the meta defining one. He just prevented the worst from happening. So now we deal with bad instead.
Sombra is a joke. Buffing her won’t do jacksh*t against brigitte or snipers. Armor will NEVER allow her to be viable. no matter how you buff her. Symmetra would only make rein and zarya work better. It might change things a little bit. But definitely won’t be that massive whatsoever.
If the new hero is supposedly following the same trend as the old ones, then we’re screwed even more.
