I saw this coming from miles away. This is the direction support was trending in since ow2 came out.
They don’t want supports to really be a role anymore. They want supports to be similar to DPS. So just play DPS. That’s what I did and even though I don’t like the role conceptually as much as support, it’s just… More fun and makes more sense for their design philosophy in ow2.
Considering that this game has always been a team game and the point of support is to SUPPORT your teammates in them getting things like kills, I don’t see the problem.
Last time i checked you didnt need anyone else to help you when you press nemesis and run at the enemy team?
Last time i checked you could play hog and do everything yourself
Last time i checked you could play ball and just play single player
Last time i checked you dont need your team to just fly at an enemy and kill them as dva
The role is called support, who are you expecting supports to support exactly?
Supports can support without being entirely reliant on their team to do anything
The fact we have 2 supports who are designed to be counter dive supports, moira and brig, and both suck against dive heroes rn lol
I think that says everything. Too much reliance on randos just to get any value
You still need to get healed and running into the enemy team doesn’t guarantee anything.
You havent been able to do that in a while and you NEED a Kiriko to have any effect on the game.
You can play single player but most people dont know how to play without a shield so ball is useless
You still need to enemy to stand still and not move in order to do this.
Just admit you know nothing about playing tank.
Tanks rely on their team to secure kills and keep them alive.
DPS rely on their tank to give them breathing room and supports to keep them alive.
Supports rely on their tanks to give them breathing room and dps to secure kills.
Everyone relies on their team, it is how this game functions.
As opposed to what? You think Junkrats are having fun vs Dive ? Or Bastions? Or Cass ?Welcome to the club buddy, sorry Supports are not the top dogs anymore I guess, but stop playing victim because they are far from that.
Yep. Most overexaggerated bloated statements I’ve read this year.
Supports have never been helpless in OW2, gaslighting is not going to work. They had the BEST passive that lead them to have a stupidly insane resilience and now they just don’t have it.
Thats it.
Quit the #drama good lord.
You pop nemesis and run at the enemy, you get stunned and focus fired and die before you even know what hit you, you are a massive hitbox with an ult that is only effective in the open, any team with half a brain will shut that down, especially if you do it with no backup.
Yet tanks have abilities to both keep them alive; nemesis which gives ram 225 armor. See TaB which heals hog 550hp. See cardiac overdrive. See Jq passive. See fortify. See matrix. All allows them to keep themself alive.
And get kills; hog hook, dva missiles, ram punch
Tanks can do both themself. They dont need their team to do those
Except flankers can make their own space. Heroes like widow and sojourn make their own space. They dont need breathing room when they can apply pressure themself
Additionally everyone has the heal passive so dps can heal themself now. Plus a lot dps have self healing or immunities like mei, reaper, genji, tracer, sombra etc so they dont need constant pocketing
Whereas supports are entirely reliant on everyone else. You get dove by tracer dva, you rely on your tank to peel. Sombra on you, you rely on peel. And now everyone has extra hp, most of the supports who were good at killing are now not. Illari, kiri, brig, moira. Can’t secure kills anymore because everyone has too much health and they lost their ability to stay in the fight due to the dps passive
This is by far the worst state support has ever been in. Unless you play bap or lucio its gg cus every other support sucks
Tanks have short term ways to keep themselves alive, they are not immortal. Supports can get kills too, that is not unique to tanks.
A character being weak to dive DPS is different than an entire role.
Supports are not in a great place against characters like Tracer and Genji.
Even the characters that the role has that are the best option against them are still at a significant disadvantage.
The passive does exactly nothing in combat and when you are being pressured.
Welcome to how its felt to play the other two roles since season 2.
You’re just listing stuff off that in reality when playing the game arent insta saves lol
You have no idea how Tank is played and thats fine but please give it up
This. Support isn’t made to be playable in dive, barring Lucio and Kiriko. They’re made to be traded and always have been.
It’s one of the near countless reasons why dive is unhealthy for the game as a meta c:
No they cant lol. Most supports lost their lethality because everyone got more hp and they got nothing in return. Kiri cannot 2 tap anymore, nor can illari. Moira and brig die against flankers who theyre designed to be good against
Its a lie to say supports have equal lethality to what they did before. Whereas dps are purely better off on all fronts.
I barely am able to secure kills anymore because everyone has too much hp they always get away or i die first because dps outdmg me while i cannot outheal them
Yes, dps are supposed to have better lethality.
What do you think dps stands for?
Dps are not supposed to have better lethality lol. Supports and dps should have equal lethality because supports need to be able to defend themself
Sweet baby jesus that is the bronziest bronze take I have ever heard.
Play Zen & Moira. Only pump heals into targets that LOS the enemy. Do damage.
Zen is mega viable right now and so is Moira. You can climb as these supports. But if you feel like you can’t win and they need buffing then you should just be doing more damage.
You can still kill Tracer & Genji on Zen & Moira right now. It’s still viable.
Hog is terrible right now if the enemy team has a zen or decent kill pressure.
This ^.