Both symmtra and mercy mains have every right to complain TBH

I would rather see Sym reverted to 2.0 (then buffed) and Echo get the 3.0 kit because 2.0 was here first and it was quintessential Symmetra; us original Sym mains shouldn’t have to move to a new hero, especially when we were already invested in the old one. :confused:

I would be satisfied with either path, actually. If I had the option to choose, I would revert Sym and give Echo Sym3 kit as well.

But the main point is that I want both kits in the game, at the same time.

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The part my friend with an autoimmune problem who would shake so bad on certain days liked because they had a choice in which hero to play and now they’re relegated to Mercy-who had a playstyle they disliked since she’s just an enabler and had now stopped playing because to them it felt like Blizzard didn’t care about people who had issues like that when reworking her?

Boi DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT SYMMETRA IS BROKEN SHE LEGIT GETS CHARGE BY LAZER BEAMING A SHIELD AND DESTROYS A TANK

Every main has a right to complain.
Everyone has problems, get off your high horse.

(to the like 3 soldier mains out there, feelsbad, one day widow and hanzo will get nerfed.)

It might sound rough but it just isn’t practical for Blizzard to factor in such a minority of people when considering a balance change that’s going to positively impact millions of players.

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they coulda increased sym’s skill cap without it being an insult to sym mains, imo. what alienated syms mains, what was an insult to the sym mains was the drastic change in her role, not the fact that sym not has a higher skill floor and ceiling. prior to 3.0 she was a support that helped the team with shields (both e ability and shield gen) and had area denying abilities. majority of the sym mains suggestions was to give her more mid-fight utility to help her teammates (turrets were useless during a teamfight once they were destroyed, and photon barrier was mostly used to help herself and only sometimes to help teammates. but rather than rework her to be the non-healing support her (afaik barrier queen) playerbase wants the devs turned her into a Shield Tank-Buster, not even a general tank buster but a shield tank buster specialist, which is an extremely far cry to what her players wanted. That’s not even touching the complete removal of the anti flanker m1 she had not saying this is a good or bad thing but even her primary which was anti flanker was changed to her current role of shield tank buster

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Actually the rework made her more fluid (super jump etc)

What? You should clutch battle mercy more with your ult.

Sym deserves a beam range identical to Zarya’s IMO; Transitioning from one to the other feels so odd because it feel like your beam should be hitting sometimes.

Lucio: Speed boost
Zen: Discord

Mercy is not the best lmao

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I like the fact that you have taken entitlement to the next level. Like you are not even implying you know more than the Devs, you literally said it :
“Both hero’s were reworked without the core playbase of both hero’s in mind”

So the guys who DESIGNED the game, and know EXACTLY why, where and who created the hero with the lore and intention in mind … did ignore all that, and apparently the desires of the whole community (false) to rework a hero for apparently … no reason?

“they only listened to one side”
Sure mate, because whoever disagrees with you is wrong and its biased “because people disliked playing against them”

I mean damn dude, l would like to say you went from 0 to 100 but you started literally on 95 and went full ballistic to 150.

Let me spell it out for you : All the reworks are justified by facts, stats and info that you dont have access to and a HUGE part of this community fully agrees with them.

Like somebody already stated :

Quoted for truth.

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So what if we don’t have access to facts, stats and info that Blizzard has? That’s the nature of dissent – and the dissent among those who loves Mercy and Symmetra has been huge. Or are you of the opinion that only the “official word” from Blizzard should exist?

Since when companies ask players’ ‘permission’ and feedback when it comes to shape their game the way they want ?

They listen to no sides, they just do what they think it is right, whether that is or not.

The fact that we suffer half year of tank meta is because they don’t listen even to pro players, let alone the horrible Mercy meta we also suffered.

I trust the Blizzard prior to 2008 when they were not part of Activision to exceed their customers’ expectations. Activision-Blizzard of late has been lackadaisical, not just in Overwatch, but the other Blizzard games (except maybe Starcraft 2) that I own.

Dont misread on purpose pal, those facts and stats are known by many but there is also info about servers and many other things that are internal. Dont pretend those dont exist and people that actually OWN those servers can access them and we cant. Ok ?

Im not the one stating : “Both hero’s were reworked without the core playbase of both hero’s in mind” so stop nitpicking one sentence and taking all the context of the entire post just to throw some random “rage against the system”.

Im not advocating that we should say “yes master” to everything blizzard does and they are exempt of criticism. Quit that stance.

PS: Oh, i just read the “Activision paranoia” post, you are one of those. Ok.

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I own several games by Blizzard, of course I’m concerned, and God knows how many Starcraft 1 and Warcraft 1 boxed games that got lost everytime I moved houses before the Blizzard client was a thing (bought 3 of SC1, 2 of WC1, I actually kept track).

I have sunk hundreds, if not thousands, of hours in their games in over 18 years, so yeah, I’m a longtime Blizzard customer, and pretty much feels the disgruntlement against Blizzard not just in OW, but in their other titles as well, ESPECIALLY THE WOW COMMUNITY.

How about you, how long have you been playing Blizzard games?

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They don’t. Smh my head

Sure, as soon as my teammates become comfortable with having no healing and won’t report me for it.

I don’t know how many times people have to remind others that vanilla Mercy was considered garbage tier compared to vanilla Lucio and Ana once she came out. People were told to SWITCH OFF Mercy until Ana nerfs occurred with her LMB, ani cancelling, and other changes.

This long standing rumor that Mercy was always considered OP or strong in general is just wrong. I strongly detest how people keep circulating this wrong information and then getting upvotes because people mostly just remember Valkyrie’s incarnation OPness and when Seagull and others prior to Season 1 of OWL saying Mercy needs changes. Blizzard 100% has let this toxicity foster and never owed up to how it disparaged the community for Mercy players. The way they handled Mercy changes resonates to this day for people who hate her and who loved her original design.

Mercy was 100% considered sub-optimal during competitive seasons 2-4. Being a Mercy main back then was considered ok despite this because toxicity back then wasn’t as terrible. Look to today’s competitive overwatch experience where they would call you auto trash for not being a meta slave… and think you are throwing intentionally for some reason if you don’t pick what people want / consider the only way to win.

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Why is she balanced if you say so? “Balanced” is relative, their is no definition of “balanced” :slight_smile:

Proof for that statement? Hanzo Storm arrows btw :thinking: balanced, sure. no heavy easy impact