Blame doesn't help you

It objectively does. There are no constants in your games but yourself.

If you’re better, you’ll climb. That’s why UR2GM is such a big thing: it never fails.

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So then how do some people climb? There are people who have made it to GM multiple times, publicly, on stream, on different accounts. We even complain about them here on the forums because Bronze to GM challenges require both deranking and smurfing to complete. How do they do it solo queue? Clearly they can because they record themselves doing it. And it’s not just one or two people that have done it.

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Does it mean they have good quality games? No.

They win their games.

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Doesn’t make them good games, so, thank you, not interested.

If you know you know, if you don’t, well then alright.

Pretty sure after like 6 years playing this game. I have some semblence of identifying problematic or ineffective playstyles. Hell its easy to notice when someone is purposely throwing too if you pay close enough attention.

As a coach I have spent like 2 years learning and creating this habit to identify such factors in a match.

Does it make me an expert? I’d like to think moreso along the lines of a veteran player. But that’s just my opinion.

Not saying people should blame others more.

But there are people who have the knowledge the experience the playtime that just know. I don’t have any right to blame anyone, but if you ask me “How did we lose that last match?” Imma be honest and brutal about it because that’s me as a player, a teacher, a coach.

So I’d like to think whenever I blame someone, I have some fact playing into such an accusation. Because I trained that way. I’d be a hypocrite if I also never blame myself, which is why I’m heavily critical of my own gameplay via VOD reviews, scorekeeping on the scoreboard, and giving credit where it is due.

Let’s stop spreading this idea that this blame game is a means of “toxic gaming” when in reality its a natural behavior in a PVP scene where many a player is seeking to improve.

For majority of players, peer to peer mentoring is the only organic means of them even getting a mentorship or any form of one on one critisim about their gameplay. Which results in many more players imprpving because another player can identify their faults. Then the cycle goes on which improves the game experience in matches more and then everybody has much more fun, together.

So…I don’t believe people need to stop. Players just need to be morespft spoken maybe ans the players getting blamed need to really start thinking more critically rather then choosing to ignore everything and promote this anti social behavior that has reaply detered many a player lately.

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Blaming someone else never helps you. It’s of no benefit to you. Surely as a coach you can agree with that.

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Naw it does help me. I store that knowledge in my brain and I make notes so whenever I do try their hero I can self improve.

Technical on a personal level, but I do believe it helps.

Because honestly…how many players are going to hire a coach or join a friend group asoing for lessons in OW.

Now compare that number to people who spend literally months using QP as their only practuce/training method.

Trust me you don’t want to know what I learned when I realized my first 4 years was a massive waste of skill or time when I was trying to imprpve myself.

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I think I understand what Nerf is saying.

If you can identify (calmly) who is playing poorly, you can adapt to help them better, and also gain some knowledge in what not to do with the hero their on.

The latter point helped me improve quite a bit with Granny. Positioning is crucial with her, when I see other players walking in the open or literally stapled to the tank’s backside, I think, “huh. Welp, at least I see I shouldnt play ana that way. Nice try tho I guess.”

If youre not identifying the strengths/weaknesses of your teammates, you’re not gonna be able to help them/yourself win games as well as you can.

… I hope I didnt miss the mark too badly in saying all that :laughing:

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For me it just helps to identify, who will only drag me with them towards their inevitable demise.

Adapting to your teammates playstyle and trying to work around their weaknesses or work with their strengths is different IMO than blaming them. I kinda see what nerf is saying but it’s not really the same thing. Blame is the negative version where you are usually doing it after the loss happens as an excuse by pinning the failure on someone you’ll likely never see again.

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I once had a 1,000 questionnaire final to graduate. I was told it was my fault for not passing the test. I disputed the test, pointing out how absurd that level of questioning was on any test.

L.S.S. a ruling party dropped the test, ruling in my favor, and I passed.

Sometimes you are right.

Exactly my point.

And again most players won’t see their faults on their own gameplay so easily.

As human we often consider social pearning to be the best method for learning. In a social game where their is compeitition it is beneficial in interacting with others. Yes at some point you should just downright deny abuse and manipulation tactics, but in all seriousness, if we don’t respect other players, if we don’t accept the nature of what it means to be an online PVP game, then what are we doing?

Just denying the nature of the game and the fact that there’s a person sitting at a screen behind that hero. That is what we are promoting here.

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We just use them, which is how online PVP games always were. You use other players, they use you, and one of you won’t be able to succeed in that.

Which doesn’t matter in the slightest, only function they perform does.

Often you just refuse to be exploited, which ruins plans of other players and can lose you game. I would absolutely reject attempts of teammate to use me as decoy for their own gain, which is what usually happens, when teammate attempts to do something exceptionally risky and invites you to follow them.

I don’t think most people blame others for everything in all their matches. From what I can tell they are usually referring to specific matches with specific problematic teammates or enemy players.

I think it is better for players to look at the big picture and not make a mountain out of a mole hill, but at the same time let us not pretend that there are no legitimate issues to take up regarding Overwatch. They exist, and insulting people who take issue with those problems doesn’t seem helpful to me either.

If you wanna have a good time go play crash bandicoot or smth

Players are just obstacles to you aren’t they?

How rude can you be?

That’s why I play Ball a lot. I refuse to get cheesed by anymore headshots.

Ow s biggest prob is its community , above everything else.

Just tools to be used, or discarded.

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How are you still able to still play this game?