Basically Bogus Bastion Bias šŸ˜¢

well the two solo ults are just unlucky but because youā€™re a big immobile target

the soldier one was because he
a) hit you with helix, doing (117? damage) so he only had to land 10 shots, and with that he did a lot of damage before you hit him, so its basically a timing issue and just unlucky for you

it seems like its worth a shot as a rework, maybe someone could make it in workshop

and I always thought of a hero without an ult, but another ability, or making bastion have a less powerful version of his ult just as another form

Bodyshots though, as I stated.

I wouldnt mind if he actually had a blind spot in turret mode instead of the 360 thing he can do right now.

His ā€œBlindspotā€ Is not being able to see behind himself at all timesā€¦ and being stationary.

Are you really asking for a Bastion nerf?
Like, seriously?

Not to mention if he couldnā€™t turn all the way around, Sentry would be a death sentence more than it already isā€¦

Iā€™m just saying if they wanted to make him generally better but had a blind spot as a clear weakness, I would not mind

He has a constant blind spotā€¦ what do you mean?

An area behind him where he cannot turn to see behind himself?

That would mean death no matter what the moment you decided to use Sentry Mode.

Iā€™m so tired of people ONLY talking about fighting against a Bastionā€¦ never talking about playing AS the Bastionā€¦

Thatā€™s literally the point of this thread.

Of course he is allowed to, thatā€™s what people like me have been saying for years, but unfortunately, suggestions such as yours would cause many damaging side ā€“ effects as well!

Because your suggestions would not only substantially buff Bastion when heā€™s playing solo (which is great in my opinion as thatā€™s probably the healthiest route in general for Bastion to follow), they would also make him unstoppable when heā€™s being played in a comp, or even worse, in an actually coordinated environment with established communication.

And since both of these conditions are built on fundamental design problems and imbalances (such as the major imbalance between the active communication/coordination required to defeat a Bastion comp and the one required to defeat it, along with the fact that, fundamentally, low/mid - ranked players, such as you and me and the grand majority of the player base, naturally do not even have the level of communication/coordination established between them in the first place and they, therefore, cannot even run nor counter Bastion comps in general!)

With the above logic, Bastion can seem overpowered in high ā€“ ranked environments for example, where such communication exists, while at the same time absolutely useless in low/mid ranks where such prerequisites are pretty much non ā€“ existent!

Finally, if all of the above is taken into consideration, then yes, solo ā€“ counters to Bastion (such as Roadhog, etc.) make absolute sense and are pretty much necessary with the current conditions (even though they otherwise wouldnā€™t and I 100% agree with you on that), because they help balance out the fundamental design problems and imbalances that Bastionā€™s kit involves and which I just talked about above!

Now, back to your suggestions and having all of the above in mind, if you actually introduced just a small, tiny point below the Personal Bastion youā€™re suggesting, such as that it would get automatically turned off if Bastion is already being protected by another Shield and there you have it! :slight_smile:

That would be absolutely perfect and it really follows the logic of my own rework suggestions for Bastion, which to would mostly focus on the other hand on buffing his Recon mode rather than his Sentry mode.

Thatā€™s all I wanted to say really. Throughout the past 4 days Iā€™ve been really thinking about this whole subject and about our conversation and I have to say that many misunderstandings have been made between us (such as the fact that you somehow think that I believe ā€¦ I would really like to put this whole situation behind us, as I did with other users such as TommiSalami in the past! Finally, I would ask like to thank you for including my suggestion in your rework thoughts (concerning the Bastionā€™s spread and Ironclad passive. That was kind of you.

And, as always, me, you and everyone else are free to have their own opinions. They certainly have to be well ā€“ justified, but really, youā€™re allowed to disagree with this whole post if you want and I would have no problem. But, naturally, donā€™t expect everyone to agree with you if you follow that route (I have personally been guilty of this in the past as well) and therefore, OPs such as this one you wrote calling people who disagree with you biased and so on are nothing but unnecessary and ridiculous if Iā€™m being honest with you.

I hope we both can start from the beginning after this (I also have some Bastion gameplay I would like you to check out)ā€¦ Until then, so long! :slight_smile:

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Oh hey, itā€™s you.
I totally didnā€™t expect a wall of text from you. :upside_down_face:

Thanks for the free bump.
(Iā€™m still reading it btw, no ill will meant)

Thank you for at least being civil, it seems youā€™ve really come far from the ā€œWow so broken OP!!! :man_facepalming: :man_facepalming: :man_facepalming:ā€ Days.

I myself have had an extremely rough few days, multiple panic attacks, and honestly i didnā€™t know if i was going to surviveā€¦ speaking seriously, thereā€™s a chance you wouldnā€™t have ever seen another post from me again if i didnā€™t pull through those feelings.

So iā€™d really like to put all of this annoyance and knee jerk reaction behind us.

It is true that i disagree with you on the subject of Bastion being strong when pocketed in coordinated play, as i really do believe that with the changes i have suggested, he would still be just as easily defeated by the same amount of coordination from the enemy.

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No problem. Even though I donā€™t think that I even implied such a thing about Bastion being OP and stuff (please correct me if Iā€™m wrong though), as I already said, Iā€™ve been thinking about this subject for days now and have gone through some really tough feelings as wellā€¦ We have both made many mistakes and misunderstandings and I want to apologize for the oneā€™s Iā€™ve made myself.

I hope we can both start fresh as soon as possible :slight_smile:

Fair enough. Who knowsā€¦ You may actually be right! Itā€™s your opinion and I totally respect that.

Iā€™m really sorry you went through that :frowning:

As mentioned, I also went through some really negative feelings, even though nothing than what youā€™re describingā€¦

I hope youā€™re okay now and I really hope you find the power to not letā€¦ Wellā€¦ Random people on the internet at the end of the day bother you so much.

Remember, weā€™re all talking here about the game we love and play in order to have fun, so really, I hope you get over this whole situation soon!

(P.S. I also have some Bastion gameplay I would like you to check out, becauseā€¦ Despite popular belief, I actually play a lot of Bastion in competitive :slight_smile: )

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Iā€™ll survive unless my heart gives outā€¦ haha.
Also it wasnā€™t really related to anything online, justā€¦ life hit me pretty hard.

That, and i turned my sleep schedule around in a single day, which had me horribly jet-lagged, which probably didnā€™t help and probably helped to trigger my panic attacks.

And, thank you.

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Oh, Iā€™m sorryā€¦ I misunderstood that.

Still though, I wish you the bast and hope you get over that as soon as possible!

Have a nice rest of the day! :slightly_smiling_face:

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Bastion is in a okay spot. Iā€™d personally decrease the time it takes him to go between recon and turret but yeah. Heā€™s way too dependent on his team where if he has teammate purposefully not helping, avoid him, and anything they can think of. Iā€™ve played bastion recently in quick play and my god the toxicity and people you meet even when SR isnā€™t on the line is yikes. I just hate how people hate people who specialize in this game when most competitive games out there now all have people who specializeā€¦

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If you have discord iā€™d be willing to chat there any time ya like, btw.

Just add me on battle net, and i can send the info there if you want.

ChibiFox

#11511

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Well of course I want to, thank you!

Will send an invite as soon as I can!

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