Firstly, a weak baby D,Va and a weak Genji (They were both below half health) Arenāt the pointā¦ the point is that the Widow nearly killed me, before i could kill her, within 10 meters, with me laying down constant fire.
Do not deny that.
And the second clip, oh where do i even beginā¦ Firstly, a soldier will never ever engage a Bastion without using all of his cooldowns, thatās the pointā¦ so yes, you will always face that kind of Soldier.
Secondly, i had healed up to exactly 230 hp.
Which means i was nearly completely healed, with even armor on my healthbar, when he re-engaged.
Meaning it was a head on battle, with me having taken the equivalent of chip damage, which is constant for a Bastion.
And yet, with the Soldier out in the open and my tracking being that of a god in that moment, i loseā¦ why?
Because even though i decided āIāll hold my ground and give up mobilityā The soldier has a ārightā to win.
If you think the enemy Soldier should have won that, i donāt know what to tell youā¦ because thatās insane. If youāre always rewarded for jumping a Bastion face first, why even try as the Bastion?
Bastion has the highest dps in the game. You shouldnāt buff the highest dps hero in the game. Bastion is a very lame desperate hero choice and that is my opinion and I am allowed to have my opinion. Bastion is the most frowned upon hero in the game for a reason. If you canāt see, understand, or agree with it then that is your problem.
I think a barrier form of soldiers personal heal, decent but not overbearing, so keep itās numbers low and adjust it from there?
Now that I think about it, he could be an off-tank like this; he kinda already fits the role. Large space denying and zoning when in Sentry, requires targeting him from multiple areas or charging with good tanks, he doesnāt really provide cc so normally that would pump damage, and self-sustain which is normal on off-tank. Why not go all in and do it? Iād be down to try it on experimental, if itās too much it can at least show us some insight on where to take him.
The original source of my entire rework is to turn him into a Tank actually.
But people disagreed so harshly that iām still hesitant to even mention that.
Genji was very weak, and completely wasted his Ult, but Dva was at full health. Widow SHOULD have killed you! She hit you with 2 scoped shots before you got her in your sights. Thatās 200-235 damage before you hit her onceā¦and you still killed her anyways.
Huh? This makes no sense. My point of him taking you under 200 without Helix was that he had it remaining.
He dropped you to 159 health without Helix before you were able to get turned around and into Sentry mode. He wasnāt in the open, he dipped behind cover to reload, and re-engaged while you were healing. Yes, you hit 230, but you were still healing while he blasted and Helixed at point blank range.
If these are your examples of why Bastion is weak, and you feel like you played them both perfectly and should have won, you are clearly biased and just want Bastion to be unkillable.
And he still overtook me at point blank rangeā¦ without moving much, and with my aim fixed on himā¦ that shouldnāt reward his brash forceful play, simply to peek again and run at the Bastion shooting.
He should have died there.
No, in fact i donātā¦ i want him to actually kill something when they play completely predictably.
Again, this is the point of the threadā¦ think from the perspective of the Bastion.
Tell me what i was supposed to do āCorrectlyā to win there, if youāre so smart.
See, thatās just itā¦ you donāt believe a Bastion should win in that engagementā¦ you believe that a Bastion should lose 100% of the time, in that 1v1ā¦ which means the Bastion is arguably, weak to a head on Soldier: 76.
Our only supports were mercy zen and LĆŗcio, who all had lower healing potential than they do now.
We didnāt have Moira, Ana, or Baptiste- who can each on their own, rival the healing of all three original supports combined.
While we had torb- We didnāt have Brigitte who can armor targets at range on demand, instead of having to drop repair packs. Assuming he had enough scrap.
Bastions own self repair was much like dvas matrix, a single use ability. It didnāt have a resource meter, and he couldnāt even move in recon mode while using it.
Point is
Overwatch has has some serious improvements to its capacity to keep players alive and sustain them.
A notably smaller shield in overwatches current state would definitely get more value than the older 1000 hp shield.
Not to mention- and lets be honest here
Players at the onset, even in blizzards development team- didnāt really know yet how to properly play overwatch. Strategies and experience in the community developed over millions of literal play hours. Not only are the heroes better equipped to keep things alive- the players themselves understand better too.
Iām just saying players wouldnāt appreciate the protect the VIP environment that this play style would promote.
Itād literally unbeatable until it is- then it all falls apart. Itās frustrating on both sides.
Please keep in mind my interest is being civil and respectful with you. I genuinely appreciate and like you as a member of this community- it is not my intent to upset or be rude to you.
But to be frank, I dislike it.
Largely because of what Iād touched on before.
I fear that doing so would make sentry mode a complete nightmare for most players to deal with.
Itās not hard imagine orisa and sigma set up in front of him, with Moira and Ana or Baptiste keeping the entire group alive.
Bastion with relatively buffed damage- also augmented by Orisa turreting, as signs lobs non stop volleys- plus whatever other DPS is there in the mix.
Simply holding M1 and W gets to be tricky- because thereās enough damage to kill anything before they can get close. Youād have to resort to dive tactics, but Winston and ball would be shredded by that kind of damage.
Of course thereās dva, but with only 2 seconds of defense matrix- does she DM on the way in as to avoid being melted on approach, or when she lands and try to do something against the comp with another off tank?
If they accomplish nothing in that 2 seconds- (ana throws bio nade, Baptiste uses regen field / nades / IF, Moira tosses a healing orb, etc. sigma has his own version of DM as well to stop damage on bastion. Orisa has fortify. Bastion would have his own personal shield to burn through as well), theyāre toast.
You can use Mei to have ice wall lift bastion up- which can be a good counter currently with coordination. Itās not a huge window but itās enough.
But in your situation heād have a chunky shield to protect himself (and with reduced wall HP and reduced wall hit boxes, heād only need to remove a chunk of wall below him to fall back down to safety)
Sombra can hack / emp him- but then youāre waiting against a comp like that to build EMP.
Iād be very afraid of the potential of this bastion- and the play style it would promote.
Again this is why I think for bastion to eve be āviableā in more realistic scenarios- hed need a play style change.
I just donāt think players would want to deal with what heād bring to the table.
Widowmaker isnāt as all or nothing as bastion. You can bodyshot people and as long as you are focus firing with your team, you can get through lower ranks without good aim.
Also if you are referring to my icon I donāt play widow.
This is blatantly false. Slow it down and watch it frame by frame. Soldier was strafing and jumping all over, and your āgodā aim had your reticle completely off him for like half the time you were firing. He also used Helix, was on a healing station and BARELY survived.
Aim better, anticipate his re-engagement and start firing instead of continuing healing, not taken nearly a second to turn around and locate him so he drops you to half health without spending a single cooldown for free.
I donāt think Bastion should or would lose that matchup 100% of the time, heās pretty heavily favored in fact. I think YOU 100% deserved to lose that matchup, because you got seriously outplayed.
bastion is much easier to play than he is to play against and honestly shouldnāt be a viable pick because of that. He plays best with an orisa, who has proven to be bad for the meta and was nerfed because of that, playing rein with bastion reduces the efficiency of reins kit.
and overall hes boring. Hes boring to play, hes boring to play with, and hes boring to play against. If all you care about is playing bastion drop your rank enough that you can play him and win games, or buy a smurf