Bap is deliberately made weak

[Pnutapi-2551]

you dont see an issue with bap doing 0 healing because his damage is that much better?

[Kaleidoscope-21937]

i dont agree with your assumptions. but even so if at high rank the other team cant counter enemy having 1 healer, they deserve to loose.

[Pnutapi-2551]

as in baps damage was better than having another healer, similar to zen but its not really baps thing

[TREB-21513]

Trained him wrong as a joke

[Kaleidoscope-21937]

bap needing to also function as the teams healer will always limit his dps. there is zero need to deliberately weaken his gun like they do. its just dumb and keeps him a niche pick when the game desperately needs another viable hitscan based healer. imo.

[Yin-1797]

@Drowsckab-1655

I think Immortality Field is holding him down, similar to how turrets hold Symmetra down. As long as Immortality exists nobody in high ranks will want him to be viable

Immortality Field isn’t hold Baptiste back. If it was, his healing would be so much worse and his damage would be so much worse. He’d be below Moira and Brigitte in terms of damage.

@Vilkath-1644

That said Bap has the same problem Mercy had. Immortality field is too strong, it’s basically a better rez on a shorter CD with no casting time and affects a large area…

It’s not even close to being better. It’s practically the same thing.

@Vilkath-1644

Keeping a team mate alive through any kind of attack is almost better than rez. Better yet your not locked into a long animation and generally Baptiste is in no risk to use the field as it’s a very fast projectile that flies in a straight line.

False equivalency. Every support can keep every team mate alive through any kind of attack. There is no other ability that reverses the loss of a team mate in the game, or 1/6th of your team’s overall power (or more than that, due to Supports/Tanks providing so much more value). Immortality Field barely even compares to Sound Barrier or Transcendence on scale. And certainly doesn’t even compare to Revive.

@Skund-2376

Baps niche was double barrier and bunker, they are dead now and Bap is unemployed
Devs need to find him a new niche

Baptiste was barely even used in double barrier.

@dag-12162

Immortality is the worst ability they’ve ever added into this game, and not only that, but itll forever hold back Bap’s power.
It should be reworked/removed

It’s not holding him back.

@Kaleidoscope-21937

i say make lamp his ult and make window the ability but make it much smaller and maybe ess powerful. baps main utility should be his dps via his gun.

Then Immortality Field gets compared to Sound Barrier in terms of defensive mitigation. And for it to even get to the level of Sound Barrier or similar ults, Immortality Field would need a much more substantial buff.

@Xorkrath-1442

What IF can do is prevent a teamwipe during certain ults, but that’s very situation dependent. I’ve seen clever Junkrats hold riptire at bay until their team shoots down the IF field, or just wait out the only five seconds until it’s gone anyway. In a way that makes it the opposite of Ana’s nade - the anti-nade has the potential to negate a Zen ult, while IF has the potential to negate a rip-tire or D.va bomb. In practice though, if IF were that good, he’d see more use than he currently does.

RIp-Tire is barely worth the use of Immortality Field seeing as it can be be shut down just by shooting at it. It is a useful defense, but there are better and more frequent uses. More specifically, if you’re using Immortality Field just to cover a Rip-Tire or Self-Destruct, you’re not getting as much mileage as you should out of it.

Biotic Grenade is not in the same league as Immortality Field. For one, Biotic Grenade can be used offensively or defensively. Immortality Field is so restricted by it’s cooldown and it’s function that it can only be used defensively. Immortality Field does not prevent damage, it just prevents death. You’re still just a vulnerable to damage as you would be with or without it. It’s worse version of a typical barrier.

@Xorkrath-1442

All that said, I’d be completely fine with IF’s removal if it meant we got a more useful utility in it’s place. Right now it’s the worst of both worlds - vastly over-estimated by critics, and vastly under-performing in reality. It’s a mediocre ability that people think is OP. So you know what? Just toss it in the garbage. Supports live or die by what utility they can bring in this game, and Bap just doesn’t have any meaningful utility to bring right now. His ult is one of the worst in the game and has a hard time synergizing with anything. And his biggest competitor, Ana, has vastly more utility and a versatile ult that synergizes enough with several different heroes that she’s almost always a right choice for the map and comp.

They’re not going to replace IF, short of a re-tooling of Baptiste. And they’ve already done quite a few on a number of heroes already. It’s not that they can’t or won’t, but I suspect theyre unwilling to do anything when they’ve got multiple heroes coming down the pipe for Overwatch 2.

[Xorkrath-1442]

@Yin-1797

It’s worse version of a typical barrier.

In so many words, that’s basically what I was trying to go for.

[Pnutapi-2551]

it was better to dps than have any other healer, similar to how zen is played, you could basically just play how you used to play quad dps with soldier

[Kaleidoscope-21937]

complete nonsense. forum hysteria. bap got completely gutted because of the crying anti skill forum. comparing bap with soldier is asinine.

[Pnutapi-2551]

unless you played at high sr at the time you wouldnt have seen it, it was the same as when hog is played and hes just on perma flank, was that bad because the team doesnt have a tank?

[Sylhiri-1495]

@Kaleidoscope-21937

complete nonsense. forum hysteria. bap got completely gutted because of the crying anti skill forum. comparing bap with soldier is asinine.

Pretty sure it was the skill people that got him nerfed in the first place because he stepped too close to the acceptable damage boundaries the community placed on supports.

[Fizzbin-1581]

Baptiste is fine. He excels at bunker comps. It’s just that bunker comps aren’t popular right now.

[Valeryis-1739]

It is what’s holding him down. I’ve just given up on him getting any meaningful buffs, and decided to roll with him even if it means flushing my SR down the drain.

[Kaleidoscope-21937]

its a complete waste of a hitscan based healer. its actually trolling keeping him as a niche bunker bot.
you have 17 dps characters , massive dps queues, and literally 1 reliably viable hitscan based support that dps players would be interested in playing. in a fps game.
devs actually trolling.