let’s analyze that real quick shall we?
so going into that fight both teams have bomb and duplicate
both echos duplicate dva
there are 4 DVAS 2 ALREADY WITH BOMB 2 WHO GET IT FAST
so it makes sense 5 bombs go off nero is able to get 2 bombs
so echo is fine
tank player btw
How often is that really happening though? Like if Echo is getting THAT many uses out of her Ult, maybe the problem there is the team enabling her, on either side. She can’t ult if you kill the duplication first. I personally have only seen three D.va bombs in an Echo ult in my games. Which is a little excessive sure, but it’s not like they’re strategically timed. They’re pretty sloppily used to try to get as many out as possible, making them significantly easier to take cover and avoid.
I do think that maybe the ult charge staggering it’s increased charge level after each use would be more fair, considering it’s already heightened by so much. And it would reward players that are either exceptional, or uncontested.
its hard to kill an echo DVA when they’ve got tank hp and gain ultimate charge in seconds.
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It’s literally not with some focus fire though. Y’all complain about how easy it is to melt tanks but when it comes to Echo it’s suddenly a different story. And even then, if you kill her Dupe after one ult it’s better than letting her get multiple
its kinda hard to focus fire when its a team fight. Are we supposed to just forget about the rest of the enemy team? That and she’ll most likely be healed or pocketed.
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I will say that the person in that video saying it’s not skill is bigger bull dung than the Echo with all the D.va ults.
If it’s not skill then prove me wrong and do it on a regular basis in a competitive match. Hell do it just once.
Well you should communicate with your teammates to organize your attacks anyway, but yeah sure it’s a little unrealistic to assume that all 6 teammates will be available to help in the midst of a team-fight. That being said, once Echo ults (or practically any hero really) you’re entire team should collectively be working together to counter it one way or another. The easiest way to deal with Echo’s ult is to kill the duplication before she gets the charge, so why not ask your teammates to focus her? You’ll likely get AT LEAST one or two other teammates to help focus her down. If she’s being pocketed, then focus firing will pretty easily out-damage any healing she’ll get, OR someone can pressure the support that’s pocketing her.
You can sit there and argue and make excuses or you can step your game up, either way, I’m done engaging in this exchange with you. I’m not the one who has any issues dealing with Echo, and I don’t even typically use comms
- if echo copies baby dva she should be baby dva and have to charge mech
- if echo copies a tank it should cap at 200 hp anyways, to discourage echoes from copying tanks in the first place
Yeah, but making a broken ability and changing it to make it basically useless for picking a tank isn’t a good idea either. I like the idea of copying tanks, it makes it one of the most impactful and meaningful ults. I think they could fix it other ways
Her ult would be useless then. Everyone knows she has it and can only use it once. Just focus her and she’s done. Only way this would be balanced is if her ult charge was way faster than it is now. There’s already little reason to copy a Tracer. Imagine getting only one pulse bomb at like twice the ult charge? It would be pointless unless you’re some OWL level dps.
I think changing it so when you transform you have their ult instantly, but get no bonus to ult charge after using it would be fair.
Makes it easier to do something like clone Zen and instantly save your team but less easy to just clone Rein and murder the entire enemy team.
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If you read the original post you would see that I said if you are only able to get one ult you would have to start with it already available and if that was to strong they could give you a 2 second window where you can’t ult as the clone. So you couldn’t just copy and instantly spam the ult but there would be a buffer from copy to ult being used