Bad support players are the main reason why this game died

Making alts is not free on PC. The account is level 20. So it couldn´t have been made today. You think he spent cash on one just to make a comment on his own post.

Is it him, maybe. Most likely it isn´t though. Prop is just someone sharing his opinion, which most people that do have alternate accounts, prop would do.

Mccree isn´t dominating anything. First off.

Second off, all the slight buffs and many nerfs DPS has gotten still have left them just as bad as ever collectively, while it is true that a lot of the bottom DPS aren´t as bad as before. It is still tanks and Supports that has shaped and made every single meta comp since 2-2-2, Orisa, Sigma, Bap, now Rein.

Rein is overtuned beyond belief, which we know is a fact, cause he has never been stronger before.

I love how whenever someone dosen’t agree with something someones saying they call them a troll my own post are just usually for memes but I do like this trend of “Oh you said something I don’t agree with you must be a troll” anyways I play Baptiste so whenever a D.va challanges me… I just demech her A** and kill her a D.va dosen’t want to challange a Baptiste 99% if the time no matter how good she is.

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If ladder players made less mistakes, they would no longer be in low rank. But so as the positioning gets better, so does the opposition and there’s not a corner in the map that is completely safe even if there’s a whole team between you and the enemy and there’s no support player in the world that can operate completely without peeling. Positioning doesn’t make enemy characters and their decision making and routing completely irrelevant, they can position far better too and far more quickly than the characters most susceptible to fast mobility. Plus they can get help too offensively.

However, getting any sort of defensive aid in the low ranks seems to be like trying to herd cats and this is why the decision was made by blizzard to introduce 2 support heroes that are more capable of helping themselves out, since it wasn’t given to them readily. There wasn’t a point where they were not designing new heroes to fill up the roster.

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? You don’t need defensive aid in lower ranks as support. Want me to go on my gold support account and show you how to carry as support?

So a gold zenyatta will easily dispact a gold doomfist, tracer, wrecking ball and winston all by himself or magically avoid being killed outside of spawn with his magic positioning skills? Enemy dps and tanks don’t suddenly disappear to the wind when you go down to low ranks, they don’t suddenly stop being a threat to the ladder player in their correct ranks.

And in the old days, your choice to swap was basically Ana against winston, dva genji, tracer because mercy and zen would die anyway and lucio was taken rofl. But good luck trying to fend off 4 divers as Ana when you’re still in gold.

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Don’t forget about sombra, Can’t forget my girl :slight_smile: or the reddit lucio.

We’re a little past the point of only tanks and supports influencing metas, because we’re locked into 2-2-2 now. DPS picks matter because they can’t be optional anymore. A rein deathball with McCree is much stronger than without. More than one hero can be meta.

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Oh and don’t forget Baptiste he can aid Himself as well, most likely by killing you or jumping away or ya know LITERAL FREAKING IMMORTALITY.

Baptiste came way later though, point is apparently that blizzard designing moira and brig is whiny low ranked support players fault and not because of blizzard design philosophy and low rank gameplay in general where it seems like it’s every man for themselves but not having a single support character designed for that gameplay. Or something of the sort, but definitely not because only low ranked whiny support mains require peels or something garbage reasoning like that.

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Go watch noob hunter and look at how many bugs are still in this game that you can see regularly. For how old this game is and some hero’s who were here on release still having bugs ( reins shatter) just speaks eons about the amount of care that is not put into this game. All they wanted was to force an e sport and they did.

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True, it basically is a “Every man for themselves” lol your just bad silver player “Get good” mindset.

People have apparently forgotten how oppressive dvas old matrix was

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That is irrelevant, that doesn´t mean what shapes the meta or not. Rein appears in about 2-3 times as many games a Mccree at any time and wins a huge majority of his games vs other tanks, where as Mccree actually loses more of his games vs other DPS.

Rein is the Meta shaping hero currently, no but ifs or anything, he is.

Meanwhile despite nerfing matrix a billion times, the characters that were unviable supposedly because of dva never became viable anyway. Huh.

Or they got a plethora of buffs and became semi-viable buty again not because of dva. Meanwhile as long as better dps exist, there’s no reason to use other poorer dps, regardless if dva exist or doesn’t exist in the meta. =)

Dva is just a scapegoat and has always been a scapegoat.

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I would like to see that, so if you do have any replay codes, I’d be interested.

I am ALWAYS up to learn something new.

What is your point? A gold Zen belongs in gold because he can’t delete a gold doomfist, tracer, wrecking ball and winston by himself.

People can’t aim in gold anyways.

A diamond+ Zen will delete those heroes in gold.

:broom: that is another argument :woozy_face: of yours swept away.

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Maybe just me, but seems like the majority of players that think the dps role is unimportant are dps players.

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Top 500 zen also can’t delete a top 500 doom, tracer, ball and winston by himself.

That’s why he’s in top 500-- wait.

ML7 can’t do that with Ana either, he too requires peels and Ana has multiple tools to stop people from mauling her. But the man only reached top 1# spot on the support ladder a bit ago.

But ESPECIALLY with all these new dive and flank heroes put into the game, a support will need reliable defensive methods if they are to survive. Nobody would play support if your only swaps were from “get spawn camped” to “hard countered by multiple enemy heroes.”

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he is beginning to believe 0_0

because its a team game, supports are meant to be reliant on their team. If I were in a gold game, I could deal with a gold doomfist on zen, same with plat, I would start struggling and need peeling in diamond because that’s my real rank for support, and by that point my teammates will know how to help me deal with a doomfist

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