At some point you will lose what you love in OW

[KD115-1777]

Did reaper just go onto the team and ult by himself?

[anon11337967]

@Fragehardt-1291

@anon11337967

If the game wants to last, this has got to stop.

So you’re saying we need to stop trying to balance the game all together? Just take balance for what it is right now and stop?

Oh boi, am I glad that the devs don’t listen to us.

Ya, because that is exactly what I am saying, right?
Maybe it would be possible to balance the game in a way that didn’t completely obliterate heroes?

[Wintermute-21345]

“At some point you will lose what you love in OW”

Let’s this be the worst thing that happens to me in my life. Also, I have at least 3 other heroes to fall back to now. Hopefully, one day I’ll add Ana and Lucio to that list as well.

[Lightning-22274]

I’m honestly thinking I’m delaying the moment I’ll get tired of the game by playing other games a lot too.

Been playing No Man’s Sky with friends since the update lately, and we had a lot of fun building our bases and travelling around.

[Fragehardt-1291]

@anon11337967

Ya, because that is exactly what I am saying, right?

That is literally what you were suggesting, yes.

[anon13691246]

Yes, now she is getting better again, but how long was she completely gone due to underpoweredness? How do you think Ana mains (Ana was my 2nd main) felt for that year it lasted?
Only my 1st main kept me in the game.

[Sylhiri-1495]

Change happens, good or bad. Keeping characters like Sym the way they were because 1% of the players were able to play them decently was not an option. Keeping bad characters bad is a waste of development time if few people are actually going to play them.

[SensualSpud-1202]

Whoa, are you posting on two different accounts right now? GrumpyDaddy just said the same thing you did before deleting it.

[anon41746616]

Will i lose my cosmetics

[anon13691246]

No, what has gutted Tracer is the introduction of low-skill counters like Moira and especially Brigitte. As well as the ridicilously overpowered Hanzo.

[boypig24-2782]

@anon13691246

How do you think Ana mains (Ana was my 2nd main) felt

I know how Ana mains felt,I was one of them,and still is.

[anon13691246]

@Nandalee-2753

They dont understand their own game anymore and are therefore unable to balance or change it accordingly. Maybe get some new people for the balance team who bring some new ideas. Plus stop the sugar coating and admit mistakes it isnt helping to call total failures a success.

I have to agree with you. I also suspect, that they have lost control.
I think they acted in desperation to get rid of dive, and they destroyed the game in the process.

@NinthFriend-1210

@anon13691246

hardcounter

This. I don’t like the design of heroes hard countering others. The thing is the core part of Overwatch switching heroes just to counter others is never going to be seen for all heroes and imo not a good design. You have to know the fundamentals of the hero you’re playing to counter other, otherwise you’ll just get outplay and you won’t be doing much also.

Also players preference on some heroes because not every single hero is going to be for everyone to play. To be truthful, Blizzard are really good at designing heroes that players like me (Mine is Tracer) can be connected to, thus playing them a lot which will also be our best hero to play as. Art plays its role in that one.

I’m fine with checks like Brigitte being a check for good Tracers or hitscan being a check for Pharah. If the Tracer or Pharah is good enough, then they can still play around with their checks. If not, then they can switch to others that they’re comfortable with. But a hero making other hero unplayable is what I really don’t like.

Yep. It is exactly the example with Tracer vs. Brigitte I had in mind, although Genji vs. Briggitte, Winston vs. Brigitte and DVA vs. Brigitte could be said to equally valid examples. They are countered so hard, that it is really difficult to play them, which is unreasonable.
It is not only the direct countering of the Shield Bash that counters Tracer so bad, but also the excessive amount of armor, as well as the ridicilous amount Brigitte is able to insta-heal a dive target (topped off with armor!), taking away Tracer’s (as well as the other dive heroes) value.

[Assume-21274]

I still enjoy Mercy even after all the changes. Why can’t you?
Oh, right, cause no mass resurrection. Buhuu.

[anon13691246]

@IOINA-2852

@anon13691246

Sombra just got significantly changed in playstyle.

As someone who plays all heroes that you’ve listed. The only changes that have bothered me are the Hanzo and Sombra changes. Symmetras rework pretty much solved all her problems. D.va has always been a peely tank, her changes made her be able to fulfill that role better, Hanzos scatter AND storm arrows are both broken. Tbh a hero that has always been able to fulfill every DPS role (Sniper, flanker, close range). Will never be balanced, the problem is that blizz made that problem worse by adding storm arrow. My opinion on Mercy haven’t changed at all. I have always thought that rez should be an ult but I still don’t like her old ult (being able to rez 5 people from behind a wall instantly!? Are you serious?!) Sombra is way worse. The only thing they did to her was removing all her high-skill (but the most useful) strats.

I am not saying Symmetra is good or bad, what I am really saying is that she is now extremely different from before. Her lock-on beam has been changed to a tracking beam a-la Zarya’s, meaning that Symmetra players of the old may not be able to play her anymore. Not everyone has godlike tracking. I would question how successful that change really was. It seems to me (also from watching some GM matches) that noone are really using her beam, because the exploding balls are stronger.

@Fritz-11233

@anon13691246

Mercy had several serious reworks, although none as drastic as Symmetra, that today has almost nothing left from her original form.

Guardian Angel is the same. Healing output is being reverted to the original 50 hps. And damage boost is still at +30%. The only thing from her “original form” that’s missing is the Huge Rez

I was referring to Symmetra, not Mercy.

@Wintermute-21345

“At some point you will lose what you love in OW”

Let’s this be the worst thing that happens to me in my life. Also, I have at least 3 other heroes to fall back to now. Hopefully, one day I’ll add Ana and Lucio to that list as well.

You are lucky. I don’t have that many heroes that I love so much, that I will stick through the mess the game is atm.
I played extensively maybe 10-15 heroes, but there is only two that I find so fun that it kept me in the game.

[righthere-11972]

@anon13691246

No, what has gutted Tracer is the introduction of low-skill counters like Moira and especially Brigitte. As well as the ridicilously overpowered Hanzo

By gutted do you mean brought in line with other characters by the introduction of counters? Because that’s what happened. Before their introduction, Tracer was uncontested and could be played lone wolf style versus ever team comp and be effective.

With the introduction of counters, you have to change your Tracer playstyle or switch characters. Just like every other character on the roster does. If the enemy team has a Brigitte, you need to switch to one of her many counters or stop lone wolf tactics and play with your team. Brigitte can’t use her stun combo on Tracer if she is under pressure from Tracer’s allies. If Brigitte does stun combo Tracer, she probably just cost her team the fight.

[anon13691246]

@Sylhiri-1495

Change happens, good or bad. Keeping characters like Sym the way they were because 1% of the players were able to play them decently was not an option. Keeping bad characters bad is a waste of development time if few people are actually going to play them.

True, change can and should happen, but altering Symmetra from a lock-on to a hero that requires godlike tracking is an extreme change. So extreme that it will certainly lose many a Symmetra player.

[Wintermute-21345]

You forgot “while simultaneously nerfing that beam” part.

[Sylhiri-1495]

@anon13691246

True, change can and should happen, but altering Symmetra from a lock-on to a hero that requires godlike tracking is an extreme change. So extreme that it will certainly lose many a Symmetra player.

To be honest Sym wasn’t really pulling in Mercy level numbers in the first place, I would have to say that a successful rework would be if more people are playing her and if she contributes more to the game and I would have to say in my experience that is indeed the case. People have a tendency to “main” characters which goes against how this game was designed. I can’t really blame them considering OW is a bit unique compared to the history of the FPS genre so it’s a big adjustment.

[HanzoMaker-2631]

i don’t love anything, so i can play without problems

[anon13691246]

@Sylhiri-1495

@anon13691246

True, change can and should happen, but altering Symmetra from a lock-on to a hero that requires godlike tracking is an extreme change. So extreme that it will certainly lose many a Symmetra player.

To be honest Sym wasn’t really pulling in Mercy level numbers in the first place, I would have to say that a successful rework would be if more people are playing her and if she contributes more to the game and I would have to say in my experience that is indeed the case. People have a tendency to “main” characters which goes against how this game was designed. I can’t really blame them considering OW is a bit unique compared to the history of the FPS genre so it’s a big adjustment.

So it is ok if you only destroy a few people’s game?
Do that to enough less popular heroes, and you will piss off a significant amount of the playerbase, seeing that many have more than one main.